2017 Scale Rules

[boob dude]

Originally Posted by crawlinghulls

Is it within the rules for a class 1 rig to run portal axles?

Nothing in the rules days you can't, have fun and build away.

[Highmark]

Originally Posted by devilman_76

A question..

the rule say:
The tread of the tires cannot extend outside of the wheel wells more then 1/2 of the tread width, flairs can be added to reach min.spec

how much is it grated enlarge the flairs?


It is all legal?

Some post before say that the left fender is legal, so the tire could be mount like this (left picture).

If there isn't a limit the right picture is legal too.

can the wheel wells be only the flairs ?
How much can be the red segment "1"?
How much can be the red segment "2"?

if the "2" segment exist, the truck likes a c3 with big flairs?


(I apologize for poor photomontage )

I'm not sure what you're asking. But I can tell you that this is legal, and your pictures appear to be legal.

[RcBro]

Originally Posted by 2017Rules.pdf

Custom built hard body:
Full body -4, Cab -2 (in addition to hard body points)
• MUST meet this criteria: Must have 3-dimensional body panels that cover the chassis (not flat panels that
bolt in betweenvisible tube work).
• Must resemble a known 1:1 body.
• Must be hand formed and fabricated from metal or other rigid material.
• Inner fender wells: -1 per pair
• Rigid flat metal/plastic body panels -1

Do the two below items need to be with a custom built hard body, or are they also counted separately?
• Inner fender wells: -1 per pair
• Rigid flat metal/plastic body panels -1

[Highmark]

Those are separate - we need to break them out into their own category next year

[RcBro]

Originally Posted by Highmark

Those are separate - we need to break them out into their own category next year

Thank you..
So if you have a tuber, and cut up a body and bolt the panels on, you would receive 1 point correct?

[devilman_76]

Originally Posted by Highmark

I'm not sure what you're asking. But I can tell you that this is legal, and your pictures appear to be legal.

I am sorry, my english is not so good
I try to explain the problem I see.

In class 1 you say:

The tread of the tires cannot extend outside of the wheel wells more then 1/2 of the tread width, flairs can be added to reach min. spec.


In class 2 you say:

Body/cage work must be at least 4.5" tall (including boat sides) and the inside of the front tires cannot extend outside of the width of the cab at the doors.



In class 3 you say:

The distance between the inside of the tires (of any axle) can be no greater than 1.25" more than the width of the body at the doors.

There is a problem....

You say me, that in class 1 there isn't a limit so we can enlarge the wheel truck without limit if you enlarge the flairs too.

But no rules like red ones in class 1, so you can have a class 1 that not respect the class 2 rules, and class 3 rules too?

For this I ask a "limit"...
If a class 2 must "and the inside of the front tires cannot extend outside of the width of the cab at the doors."
I think we need a rule like class 2 and class 3 red one..

Do you understand me, now?

You could be use/add the same rule of class 2 for class 1:
"the inside of the front tires cannot extend outside of the width of the cab at the doors".

Or use a greater limit like:
" the width of the cab at the doors must be greater of the inside of the front tires than least 1/2" "

I hope you understand me now.


I try to add photo:

now:





for class 1 big flairs save all?

we need something like this:



I think for 2017 is logical that class 1 respect at least class 2 rules.
("and the inside of the front tires cannot extend outside of the width of the cab at the doors.")
For 2018 I think is better a limitation, but it is only my idea/suggestion.
I hope I was helpful.



note this:


a>b
it is a class 1 but NOT a class 2

[hotwheels000]

Been saying this for years ^^^^^

Especially since the rules state if it doesn't fit in a class it will bump up to the next class. Your example proves the point that it doesn't work like that.

All other dimensions are based on chassis and or bumper lengths, make the width rules similar... maybe using the sliders or body width at the doors the standard.

[Highmark]

Originally Posted by devilman_76

I am sorry, my english is not so good
I try to explain the problem I see.

In class 1 you say:

The tread of the tires cannot extend outside of the wheel wells more then 1/2 of the tread width, flairs can be added to reach min. spec.


In class 2 you say:

Body/cage work must be at least 4.5" tall (including boat sides) and the inside of the front tires cannot extend outside of the width of the cab at the doors.



In class 3 you say:

The distance between the inside of the tires (of any axle) can be no greater than 1.25" more than the width of the body at the doors.

There is a problem....

Gotcha! Yes, legal in C1 and C3 but not C2. It's an unusual situation, but it could occur. If my bug had slightly wider axles it would be illegal for Class 2 for that reason.

Originally Posted by hotwheels000

Been saying this for years ^^^^^

Especially since the rules state if it doesn't fit in a class it will bump up to the next class. Your example proves the point that it doesn't work like that.

All other dimensions are based on chassis and or bumper lengths, make the width rules similar... maybe using the sliders or body width at the doors the standard.

I agree, I think it's one of those funky things that is just rare enough it's never been a problem but should still be cleared up. I know we were talking about it when you tech'd me in at Nationals last year

[hotwheels000]

100% legal in C1 with spindle fenders or huge flairs...this is not what C1 look was designed for.



Yet it wont fit in C2 or C3

It is a odd or extreme example but only a matter of time before a dragster shows up lol

[devilman_76]

But..
If you know The problem..
It is very simple to correct The problem..

Extend/add The class 2 rule to class 1..


"the inside of the front tires cannot extend outside of the width of the cab at the doors."

Why not?

[Highmark]

In short, because we had a million other huge problems to deal with this year and no one has been a dillweed and used the (lack of yet another) rule to build something sketchy enough to piss people off. Clubs are completely free to enforce that at a local level if it's a problem.

[devilman_76]

Originally Posted by Highmark

In short, because we had a million other huge problems to deal with this year and no one has been a dillweed and used the (lack of yet another) rule to build something sketchy enough to piss people off. Clubs are completely free to enforce that at a local level if it's a problem.

If all The user was good guy where isnt a problem.
But you know there are a lot of guys that live borderline.
They would sale their mothers for few scaler points..
Now you ask to The club to fix The problem. All is OK.
We will do it. But you know that so we will be The bad guy of more rule. It isnt nice.

Your's 2 words will stop all discussion.
Think about this.
Tks

[badhoopty]

just put a few gates up that are off camber and against a skinny tree or something where its really easy to get something tucked up and trapped between the tires and sliders.

im just b.s.'ing here but i can see somebody building a 1:1 narrowed single seat bug, samurai, or even jeep and running little samurai axles. thats completely possible in a 1:1 with big ass flairs or some kinda wide body conversion. granted you can build that in a c3 really easy but it'd be neat to do it c1 style, use mrc axles or something...



i do have a question tho about c1 width. if i took a clod body and glued dually fenders on the front and the rear, are those considered flares or part of the body? and either way after the duallys were glued on, could the original fenderwells on the clod body be opened up to the side of the dually flare?

[boob dude]

Originally Posted by devilman_76

But..
If you know The problem..
It is very simple to correct The problem..

Extend/add The class 2 rule to class 1..


"the inside of the front tires cannot extend outside of the width of the cab at the doors."

Why not?

Gates placed at the class 1 width spec will stop that problem no need to make more rules. I don't see the rules changing infact I have never noticed it as a problem.

[btoungette]

Originally Posted by devilman_76

If all The user was good guy where isnt a problem.
But you know there are a lot of guys that live borderline.
They would sale their mothers for few scaler points..
Now you ask to The club to fix The problem. All is OK.
We will do it. But you know that so we will be The bad guy of more rule. It isnt nice.

Your's 2 words will stop all discussion.
Think about this.
Tks

2017 Official Scale Rock Crawling Competition Rules, First Paragraph:

This rulebook is intended to standardize scale off road RC competitions that are held at various locations throughout the world. The intention is for all clubs/events to use these rules as written; however, they may be modified on a local basis. Any and all changes made to these rules at a SORRCA sanctioned event must be covered in a preliminary drivers meeting and publicly posted before the event. These rules are written to outline the basis for building vehicles and running courses. Anyone attempting to circumvent the spirit of the rules, as determined by the Event Officials, will be subject to rejection from the event.

I understand you want an absolute ruling on your situations, but I think many of your issues fall under the sentence above in red.

I'm curious if the folks that push those boundaries are finishing on the podium, or are they just causing trouble?

I see wide axles in class 1 as a disadvantage. I agree with badhoopty, in that course design can discourage certain build design ideas.

[seychelles]

Originally Posted by boob dude

Gates placed at the class 1 width spec will stop that problem no need to make more rules. I don't see the rules changing infact I have never noticed it as a problem.

Originally Posted by btoungette

I understand you want an absolute ruling on your situations, but I think many of your issues fall under the sentence above in red.

I'm curious if the folks that push those boundaries are finishing on the podium, or are they just causing trouble?

I see wide axles in class 1 as a disadvantage. I agree with badhoopty, in that course design can discourage certain build design ideas.

Originally Posted by Highmark

In short, because we had a million other huge problems to deal with this year and no one has been a dillweed and used the (lack of yet another) rule to build something sketchy enough to piss people off. Clubs are completely free to enforce that at a local level if it's a problem.

Sorry Comiteee, in Italy we says:
Dirty clothes must be washed at home... :-)
Personally know very well devilman and I appreciate his way of clarify the rules for blocking potential discussion....
But...
Cannot understand his way to bother you here where is not a tread of suggestions but tread of clarify current rules...
(Sometimes also his translation is not as sense , cause made by a direct convert from Italian as I understand you can have problems to catch them)

Personally wrote many time to committee members in private and had very kind answer, not for non sharing or whatever else, just for respect who is working free for the Rc community benefits, and don't want to show off with some details that everybody of us knows very well, just for have the crowd appreciation ...

btoungette give the right starting point to analyze better the trucks

The SPIRIT must be respected. ( it looks like a Yoda answer)

Many thanks for helping us to see the right way of rules interpretation

[devilman_76]

Tks to all for the answers.
I saw a problem, I said to you.

Our club will use/extend the rule of class 2 for the class 1,
"the inside of the front tires cannot extend outside of the width of the cab at the doors."

so class 1 was a class 2 ever...


Because I think it is better know the rules, before take part to an event.
So no discussion at the competition's day..

Anyway

the rules say:

Anyone attempting to circumvent the spirit of the rules, as determined by the Event Officials, will be subject to rejection from the event.

So the event official can reject a class 1 with
"the inside of the front tires extend outside of the width of the cab at the doors.", if He thinks that is only to mount big axle and try to take advantage from that.

tks again.

[hotwheels000]

Very simple solution, I like it.

Originally Posted by devilman_76

But..
If you know The problem..
It is very simple to correct The problem..

Extend/add The class 2 rule to class 1..


"the inside of the front tires cannot extend outside of the width of the cab at the doors."

Why not?

[hotwheels000]

Jerry, the Weiner mobile has MRC axles under it... Already has an advantage as far as gate width and also in the narrow body.

I built that truck years ago to demonstrate the shortfall !

Originally Posted by boob dude

Gates placed at the class 1 width spec will stop that problem no need to make more rules. I don't see the rules changing infact I have never noticed it as a problem.

[sgtbham]

Is the Y-town undercover agent SORRCA legal or is it a TVP?