2015 Winching Rule

[TURTLE]

This poll is for participants of the coming event. Must have at least 20 participants for this poll to be valid. And we will stand behind whichever side of the poll wins.

This poll will keep this for the event or remove it.

"- You will be allowed to hold your vehicle while pulling out your winch, but you must announce "winching" you can then hold your vehicle until you hook your winch up to the winch object. Once the line is taught, you must release your vehicle. Failure to follow this rule will result in a Reposition."

[holycaveman]

The winch is attached to the vehicle. I have a free pool winch. So the whole time ( few seconds) I am free spooling technically I am holding the vehicle.

when you are letting the winch line out without a free spool you can hold the truck just by the tension of the line.

Once the line is hooked yea let go. But my class 2 has a switch on the truck rather than a remote.

So i guess I am missing the point to this pole? Where is the issue? Are people holding the truck with their hand the whole time winching?

Sorry just need more explanation.

Thanks

[TURTLE]

This is all in reference to this: Rules for 2015

[holycaveman]

Yea I read that, thanks. For some reason I still am not seeing the problem but I was not at said events.. No big deal. I am fine with either way really. I prefer a no touch format. It takes more skill. I guess I never had that particular issue before?

[Ammon johnson]

Touch is ok by me. Safer that way you won't have people getting hurt trying to keep there footing , jugel a radio while spooling out a winch,getting it hooked to another rig/ pull pall.
Just my 2 cebts

[stroker613]

I say touch is ok when placing the winch line, we are gonna be on some very treacherous terrain and the last thing we need is for someone to get hurt at our event and then we cant use our spot anymore. If you dont care about your own safety or the safety of others then dont touch your rig. People spend hundreds of dollars to enter and thousands on their rigs, but I dont think they want to spend that much on medical bills.

[ToyZuki]

The problem is when the touching begins. People are using the rule to their advantage and calling a winch while the truck is still in motion. Basically saving the truck from a roll over. I see the good intention in the rule, but it creates a huge grey area. Interpretation of the rule between judges and drivers are different on every course. Its not that hard to take a reverse and park your truck on a safe resting place long enough to set up your winch, or think ahead and hook it up before your in trouble! After all driving skill is one of the main aspects of the competition.

[Crawlorado719]

Scale competition is kinda like chess...you got to think ahead and know your limits, before it's to late and your on your lid or falling off the rocks. Drive smart ! Have fun! Don't fall of the terrain...especially at Red Rocks! You'll ruin your weekend.

[holycaveman]

If you touch your truck to stop it from rolling over its a repo Whether winching is called or not.

it takes me two hands to remove the cable from my truck. So my truck has to be at a stoping point Before I winch.

Sounds to me like there has been a judging issue?

[Szczerba]

I can see the point of the suggested winching addition as well as the gray area, I said to remove it. I think it would put added pressure on the judges to have to deal with it.

Thanks for posting it up for discussion.

[bmuzz1]

Originally Posted by Szczerba

I can see the point of the suggested winching addition as well as the gray area, I said to remove it. I think it would put added pressure on the judges to have to deal with it.

Thanks for posting it up for discussion.

Same reason I voted to remove it.

[johnnyh66]

Remove.

[holycaveman]

Yea I voted to remove it. The more skill involved the better I like it.

[99chevy84]

keep it

[madscrambler]

I think it's up to the judge to determine if it was out of line, and call out the driver if they think it's being abused. Rather than scrapping it.

[bmuzz1]

Originally Posted by madscrambler

I think it's up to the judge to determine if it was out of line, and call out the driver if they think it's being abused. Rather than scrapping it.

Its just one more thing for a judge to have to try and keep an eye on and could get ugly if someone thinks a judge was more lenient with one driver verses another. I just don't think its necessary.
Secondly I feel at this level of competition a driver ought to know where to position his or her rig before pulling winch.

[TURTLE]

One of the points of this rule though was to access more terrain at this location. There are some steep areas that this rule would allow us to use. Without this rule there is no way a rig could hold itself in place. And the driver will be keeping a hand on the trigger and the wheel or the rig will be tumbling down the hill. Of course we don't have to use these spots and won't if this rule doesn't stay in place, its just kind of a bummer.

Also judges will not be allowed to assist the driver in anyway, no grabbing the hook, holding a winch point, etc. There job will be to judge and keep time, thats it.

[ToyZuki]

Originally Posted by TURTLE

One of the points of this rule though was to access more terrain at this location. There are some steep areas that this rule would allow us to use. Without this rule there is no way a rig could hold itself in place. And the driver will be keeping a hand on the trigger and the wheel or the rig will be tumbling down the hill. Of course we don't have to use these spots and won't if this rule doesn't stay in place, its just kind of a bummer.

Also judges will not be allowed to assist the driver in anyway, no grabbing the hook, holding a winch point, etc. There job will be to judge and keep time, thats it.

To bad there's no finals courses this year! Id love to give it a try! If I can't do it without holding my rig in place, I'll buy you a beer!

[bmuzz1]

Originally Posted by TURTLE

One of the points of this rule though was to access more terrain at this location. There are some steep areas that this rule would allow us to use. Without this rule there is no way a rig could hold itself in place. And the driver will be keeping a hand on the trigger and the wheel or the rig will be tumbling down the hill. Of course we don't have to use these spots and won't if this rule doesn't stay in place, its just kind of a bummer.

I figured as much.

[War Pig]

Sounds like there might be a safety issue even without the winching rule.