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Stormin2u · 06-02-2008, 10:29 AM

Ran the Cougar tires with NWT Hybrids #8 in the front #5 in the rear at the MNRCRC comp yesterday. They improved our comp performance and the rig made some lines in practice afterward that it hadn't been able to make before with no other changes made to the rig from the previous comp. The tires would roll over heavily when side hilling but still held. The wheels were heavily weighted 11 oz per wheel front and 9 oz per in the rear. The truck would side slide a bit, I might lighten wheel weight up a bit for the next comp. But the Cougars aren't coming off.

dirtydirtysouf · 06-02-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by sddill

The only thing that that video shows is you need more belly clearance

..Not a very good vid for comparing tires....

ive got plenty of clearance (2.75")

bulzeye · 06-02-2008, 08:35 PM

you are the only person that thinks there is no sidewall bite to this tire, maybe you are the one smoking something?

joesbruiser · 06-02-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bulzeye

you are the only person that thinks there is no sidewall bite to this tire, maybe you are the one smoking something?

Thats what i was thinking.

I B RACIN · 06-02-2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bulzeye

you are the only person that thinks there is no sidewall bite to this tire, maybe you are the one smoking something?

X3

IB..

TEDROCKZ · 06-02-2008, 09:46 PM

Recieved my set of cougars w/memory foams today, man these things are soft. They feel more like a silicone than rubber. I believe this compound will be around for a while. Thinking about ordering 2 dozen pair are so to make me a pillow

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bulzeye · 06-03-2008, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by noob_superman

oh there is some sidewall bite, its just not enough for me. i would love to see panther come out with another tire with side bite that way there will be options for both sides of the fence.

so you like so much bite that when you get in a crack your rig goes backwards?

rockbound · 06-03-2008, 07:05 PM

got mine today!! and firat impression is very good! hey are soft and very tacky. feel like twice as much traction as i run my fingers over them compared to my flat iron m3's

easiest tire i ever mounted on a beadlock rim by far!!

cant wait to get out to test them!!

only problem is one came to me with a tear in the side wall :-(:-( waiting to here about what to do with it, hopefully i can get a new one sent out to me.

clod & bruiser · 06-03-2008, 08:41 PM

anyone run them or mount them on 8-shooters? those are the rims im lookin at. i like the reports so far of the tire. i plan on becoming an owners soon!

MCSCOTT · 06-03-2008, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by clod & bruiser

anyone run them or mount them on 8-shooters? those are the rims im lookin at. i like the reports so far of the tire. i plan on becoming an owners soon!

lizard017 · 06-03-2008, 10:03 PM

ok ive read enough to get a set to ad to the arsanal, but ive yet to read any comments about the smooth sidewalls, doesnt that hurt, or shall i say make it a weak point, the last set of badlands had a few cuts on the sodewalls, the panther sides look a little vonurable, has anyone had a prob with this, i drive pretty hard here at home, like 5x rougher stuff than iv seen courses set up on some of your comps, im talking jaged edge hard to crawl stuff, i wore out my badlands in like 4 months, how durable are these? or should these by held as a comp only tire

bulzeye · 06-04-2008, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by noob_superman

Every tire we have been using in the past 3 years for crawling has had side bite and it works well with no one complaining. Maybe once in a very rare occasion side bite will hurt in a certain climb but 9 times out of 10 it helps.

again you are saying these tires don't have side bite just because they don't have lugs.

Joat · 06-04-2008, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by lizard017

ok ive read enough to get a set to ad to the arsanal, but ive yet to read any comments about the smooth sidewalls, doesnt that hurt, or shall i say make it a weak point, the last set of badlands had a few cuts on the sodewalls, the panther sides look a little vonurable, has anyone had a prob with this, i drive pretty hard here at home, like 5x rougher stuff than iv seen courses set up on some of your comps, im talking jaged edge hard to crawl stuff, i wore out my badlands in like 4 months, how durable are these? or should these by held as a comp only tire

I'm in the same boat as you, the rocks I crawl on rough/jagged lava rocks, I want something that wont shread to bits but give good traction?

joesbruiser · 06-04-2008, 06:23 AM

Ok guys the smooth sidewall gives plenty of side bite. The fact that it is thin and extremely soft does make it a little more likely that you may cut a sidewall. But on a good note they glue back together easily.

IMHO it is kind of like this with the thin sidewall it allows you to tune the tire way more than any other on the market. The soft sticky compound makes for more tread wear but provides better traction than any other tire out there.

Just like with anything else you have to take the good with the bad. If this tire sucks why is there so many comps being won with them? The truth is they are most likely the future.
Look at any other motor sport and they have to keep fresh tires on hand and replace the old when needed. Go to a Outlaw 10.5 drag race, to stay competitive those guys change tires every time they go down the track or at least every 2 passes because the sidewall of the tire starts to break down and the 60ft time does dot stay consistent. So they take a tire off that has two burnouts and two 660ft passes on them and put on a new set. That coast those guys about 600-700 bucks a pass just in tires to stay competitive. If we have to replace tires lets say once a month or maybe twice is that really that bad to stay competitive?

It does not bother me a bit and i made sure to order several sets when i placed my first order and i have a few more on the way.

dezfan · 06-04-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by noob_superman

who cares what I think.

I agree.

rockbound · 06-04-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by noob_superman

who cares what I think, get over it and move on.

you could do the same you know... everyone is just voicing an opinion, just like you, and answering your questions.

, hell i'd rather you not buy the tires, more for me and one less person running them i have to worry about being competitive.

clod & bruiser · 06-04-2008, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MCSCOTT

those look great man! they hold the bead good? and hows the hex on them with the tires?

Kamikaze · 06-04-2008, 10:12 AM

I have torn a side wall with my ocm, just because it hung the steering arm, but the tire went around at least 1.5 turns befor it finaly tore, even then its always a clean tear and a drop of glue fixes it right back. A rock isn't going to hurt these tires at all. The will wear depending on how much you spin them, which from my experiance doesn't happen very often. And once again on the sidewall bite.......just run them and see.

MCSCOTT · 06-04-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by clod & bruiser

those look great man! they hold the bead good? and hows the hex on them with the tires?

From what I've seen so far they hold the Panther bead alot better than they did with the Claws that I just took off of them. Hexes seem to be good and tight as well, and held up better than the stock Axial wheels I have on another rig of mine. They took a good beating weekend before last on all sorts of different things at all different wheelspeeds, and even though I'm gonna be upgrading to some aluminum ones of some sort before long I'm still gonna be using these with some other tires mounted up so I've got some options for the places I'm running. Claws came out of the bead a little in a couple of small sections of 2 different wheels that weekend, but still stayed on. Panthers seem to be locked in a whole lot better with them though.

clod & bruiser · 06-04-2008, 10:39 AM

well this is really good to hear. i plan on getting some mayhems later on this summer buuut due to money issues and my need for some beadlocks i plan on gettin some prolines. my neighbor has both axials and prolines but he's had some trouble with both. mainly the hexes got stripped but i think its because the motor he's running =D i run a 55t novak and its got an ass load of torque but i dont think ill be able to strip anything. thanks again for the insight!

06-02-2008, 10:29 AM	#201
Stormin2u I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2007 Location: Taylors Falls just hanging with the MNRCRC crew. Posts: 7,843	Ran the Cougar tires with NWT Hybrids #8 in the front #5 in the rear at the MNRCRC comp yesterday. They improved our comp performance and the rig made some lines in practice afterward that it hadn't been able to make before with no other changes made to the rig from the previous comp. The tires would roll over heavily when side hilling but still held. The wheels were heavily weighted 11 oz per wheel front and 9 oz per in the rear. The truck would side slide a bit, I might lighten wheel weight up a bit for the next comp. But the Cougars aren't coming off. Last edited by Stormin2u; 06-03-2008 at 11:39 AM.

06-02-2008, 09:46 PM	#206
TEDROCKZ I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Arat Alabama Posts: 2,678	Recieved my set of cougars w/memory foams today, man these things are soft. They feel more like a silicone than rubber. I believe this compound will be around for a while. Thinking about ordering 2 dozen pair are so to make me a pillow.

06-02-2008, 08:35 PM	#203
bulzeye Quarry Creeper Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Scappoose, OR Posts: 215	you are the only person that thinks there is no sidewall bite to this tire, maybe you are the one smoking something?

06-03-2008, 07:05 PM	#208
rockbound I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2005 Location: CITY of CHAMPIONS!! Posts: 2,086	got mine today!! and firat impression is very good! hey are soft and very tacky. feel like twice as much traction as i run my fingers over them compared to my flat iron m3's easiest tire i ever mounted on a beadlock rim by far!! cant wait to get out to test them!! only problem is one came to me with a tear in the side wall :-(:-( waiting to here about what to do with it, hopefully i can get a new one sent out to me.

06-03-2008, 08:41 PM	#209
clod & bruiser Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: at the bench of the up 'n coming '79 ford crew cab Posts: 171	anyone run them or mount them on 8-shooters? those are the rims im lookin at. i like the reports so far of the tire. i plan on becoming an owners soon!

06-03-2008, 10:03 PM	#211
lizard017 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: on the edge of sanity Posts: 203	ok ive read enough to get a set to ad to the arsanal, but ive yet to read any comments about the smooth sidewalls, doesnt that hurt, or shall i say make it a weak point, the last set of badlands had a few cuts on the sodewalls, the panther sides look a little vonurable, has anyone had a prob with this, i drive pretty hard here at home, like 5x rougher stuff than iv seen courses set up on some of your comps, im talking jaged edge hard to crawl stuff, i wore out my badlands in like 4 months, how durable are these? or should these by held as a comp only tire

06-04-2008, 06:23 AM	#214
joesbruiser I wanna be Dave Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: spring hill TN Posts: 2,959	Ok guys the smooth sidewall gives plenty of side bite. The fact that it is thin and extremely soft does make it a little more likely that you may cut a sidewall. But on a good note they glue back together easily. IMHO it is kind of like this with the thin sidewall it allows you to tune the tire way more than any other on the market. The soft sticky compound makes for more tread wear but provides better traction than any other tire out there. Just like with anything else you have to take the good with the bad. If this tire sucks why is there so many comps being won with them? The truth is they are most likely the future. Look at any other motor sport and they have to keep fresh tires on hand and replace the old when needed. Go to a Outlaw 10.5 drag race, to stay competitive those guys change tires every time they go down the track or at least every 2 passes because the sidewall of the tire starts to break down and the 60ft time does dot stay consistent. So they take a tire off that has two burnouts and two 660ft passes on them and put on a new set. That coast those guys about 600-700 bucks a pass just in tires to stay competitive. If we have to replace tires lets say once a month or maybe twice is that really that bad to stay competitive? It does not bother me a bit and i made sure to order several sets when i placed my first order and i have a few more on the way.

06-04-2008, 10:12 AM	#218
Kamikaze I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Columbia TN Posts: 6,154	I have torn a side wall with my ocm, just because it hung the steering arm, but the tire went around at least 1.5 turns befor it finaly tore, even then its always a clean tear and a drop of glue fixes it right back. A rock isn't going to hurt these tires at all. The will wear depending on how much you spin them, which from my experiance doesn't happen very often. And once again on the sidewall bite.......just run them and see.

06-04-2008, 10:39 AM	#220
clod & bruiser Pebble Pounder Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: at the bench of the up 'n coming '79 ford crew cab Posts: 171	well this is really good to hear. i plan on getting some mayhems later on this summer buuut due to money issues and my need for some beadlocks i plan on gettin some prolines. my neighbor has both axials and prolines but he's had some trouble with both. mainly the hexes got stripped but i think its because the motor he's running =D i run a 55t novak and its got an ass load of torque but i dont think ill be able to strip anything. thanks again for the insight!

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