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sococrawler · 12-05-2010, 09:14 AM

I would like to see some sort of "deemed" usrcca official judges that we can call upon at various local/state/national level competitions, is this possible in the near future?
I myself have judged throughout the nation and quite often try to help marshall and judge at various comps here, i have answered many questions or tried to answer them to the best of the usrcca rules that i can, people look to us that have been to the nationals,state championships and judged and ran, for knowledge to help them.

this thread is for all that wish to chime in and hopefully we can have some judges that are recognized by usrcca in various locations throughout the nation that can help at "all" levels of competition

thank you ahead of time
Randy

666 · 12-05-2010, 09:26 AM

I judge at just about every comp I go to. So I am on the list.

sococrawler · 12-05-2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 666

I judge at just about every comp I go to. So I am on the list.

as to my knowledge there is no actual list of "OFFICIAL USRCCA Judges"
but patrick i see you at all the big comps we go to know that you have been judging for quite some time, and thank you for the time you invest, we have our set marshall's but we don't have a true set of judge's we can all rely upon.

SoCo Crawlgirl · 12-05-2010, 09:53 PM

If there is a list where is it posted for others to see? and do you have to test to become a judge? and what is required to become a reconized USRCCA judge? there should be testing and resume requirements.Iit would help out the marshalls and club/people at local comps if there were more people knowledgable of the rules.

666 · 12-05-2010, 10:05 PM

You asked for a list of judges, I posted up. Sounds like I am the only one out of 81 people that have viewed this thread at this time.

To be a true USRCCA judge you should be fluent with all rules without a doubt, and have plenty of experience.

There is no set list, sounds like we are making it, not many want to devote their time, I can, will, and have!!

Should there be a test? Maybe, what would you test them on? If you have to be tested on being a judge, maybe you shouldn't be one. It's simple but yet so complex to some.

A resume? ......?

So where are we going from here?

The Violator · 12-05-2010, 10:14 PM

At the large qualifiers there probably should be some rules to who judges. I was a larger AZ comp and saw the judge not call gates on one of his local guys. I asked about it, but since he was one of the guys in charge, I guess my vote did not count. This same guy also runs cars that would never pass tech on the hopes people think it is a chassis it is not. I guess this guy wants to truely roll like one of his sponsors.

Fishmaxx · 12-05-2010, 10:15 PM

Currently there is no OFFICIAL list, but it something we are talking about in Rules Committee.

We are also working on a Judges Test that will in the least be used to help educate all judges at any level, and possibly be used for some type of certification.

666 · 12-05-2010, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Violator

At the large qualifiers there probably should be some rules to who judges. I was a larger AZ comp and saw the judge not call gates on one of his local guys. I asked about it, but since he was one of the guys in charge, I guess my vote did not count. This same guy also runs cars that would never pass tech on the hopes people think it is a chassis it is not. I guess this guy wants to truely roll like one of his sponsors.

All I can say is "Oh My!!"

The Violator · 12-05-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by 666

All I can say is "Oh My!!"

I guess it is a thin RED LINE, but I Refuse to Out Bitch ass cheating people. They will get theirs in the end.

boosted4lyf · 12-05-2010, 10:33 PM

I've tried searching for it to no avail but I remember a link to a judges test I believe it was in the chit chat section,who knows

rock hard · 12-05-2010, 10:37 PM

So if judges are tested

would they be required to retest each season,or as rules change?

Would all judges have to take the test to be elligable to judge?

If they do have to be elligable,and the last minute you need a judge for whatever reason,will you not be able to take any able body who steeped
up to voluteer?

My opinion,event organizer rules the roost at that event.
I wouldnt want an organizer to need to motivate people to get qualified
so they can sign up to judge.

A organizer should work with the marshalls though to be assured the judges are aware of rules.

I would suggest that certain scenarios that are possible to play out on any given course are different,and marshalls may want to forsee to the best of thier ability,those problems that course may offer ahead of time with the judges on each course.

Not everyone calls things the same,but if its called the same on that course
then whats the problem really.

Now take for example at nationals,I was informed any rolling backward accidental or not was a reverse.

So even if you rolled a small amount its a penalty.

There was one 1.9 course the judge was very strick about that.
the other courses wasnt.

everyone on each course was judged consistantly all day.

(except the repaire thing) So even great drivers who have been judging along time can screw up
As not every driver was made aware by those judges in advance that off course repair was an option on that course.

I have been to comps and if you roll back a bit its not called if judge can see it was unintentional.If he has integrity,and calls everyone the same.
whats the issue.

Now if a guys is doing what violater is mentioning,well thats an issue.

But if you call your buddies for every reverse just like you did me,
then I have myself have no reason to complain.

Fishmaxx · 12-05-2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rock hard

So if judges are tested

would they be required to retest each season,or as rules change?

Would all judges have to take the test to be elligable to judge?

If they do have to be elligable,and the last minute you need a judge for whatever reason,will you not be able to take any able body who steeped
up to voluteer?

My opinion,event organizer rules the roost at that event.
I wouldnt want an organizer to need to motivate people to get qualified
so they can sign up to judge.

A organizer should work with the marshalls though to be assured the judges are aware of rules.

There is no formal plan, and I am almost positive it will be a VOLUNTARY certification. Finding Judges period is a challenge.......my event is 5 months away and I have looking for over a month already.

Who judges and how hard the work to get good judges will ALWAYS be up to Event Organizers.

JeremyH · 12-06-2010, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by The Violator

At the large qualifiers there probably should be some rules to who judges. I was a larger AZ comp and saw the judge not call gates on one of his local guys. I asked about it, but since he was one of the guys in charge, I guess my vote did not count. This same guy also runs cars that would never pass tech on the hopes people think it is a chassis it is not. I guess this guy wants to truely roll like one of his sponsors.

That is quite sad. I hope that person reads this and feels embarrassed for his cheating...

To eliminate that issue, I would suggest having multiple judges at the tech station....

Fishmaxx · 12-06-2010, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

That is quite sad. I hope that person reads this and feels embarrassed for his cheating...

How about we wait to hear the other side of the story before we label someone

JeremyH · 12-06-2010, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

How about we wait to hear the other side of the story before we label someone

Very true. I shouldnt be so quick to pick a "side". Thanks for pointing that out...

ROCKEDUP RICKY · 12-06-2010, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

Very true. I shouldnt be so quick to pick a "side". Thanks for pointing that out...

Texans

, what if the guy he's talking about is a Texan.

rock hard · 12-06-2010, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

Texans

, what if the guy he's talking about is a Texan.

If he was from TX then he has no excuse,now if he was from arkansas,then he can blaim it on ignorance.

JeremyH · 12-06-2010, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

Texans

, what if the guy he's talking about is a Texan.

Seriously, if he was and the above situation was true, then I'd be just as disappointed.

ROCKEDUP RICKY · 12-06-2010, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rock hard

If he was from TX then he has no excuse,now if he was from arkansas,then he can blaim it on ignorance.

If he was a Texan, he'd has no excuse, stupid is what stupid does.
But at lest we can teach the Arkie.

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Originally Posted by JeremyH

Seriously, if he was and the above situation was true, then I'd be just as disappointed.

Disappointed that he's a Texan. But if he wasn't a Texan, then you'd get a rope.

Reflection · 12-06-2010, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

If he was a Texan, he'd has no excuse, stupid is what stupid does.
But at lest we can teach the Arkie.

What are you gonna teach him anyway?

12-05-2010, 09:14 AM	#1
sococrawler Relaxed ! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: On the road again ! Posts: 1,324	Usrcca "judges" I would like to see some sort of "deemed" usrcca official judges that we can call upon at various local/state/national level competitions, is this possible in the near future? I myself have judged throughout the nation and quite often try to help marshall and judge at various comps here, i have answered many questions or tried to answer them to the best of the usrcca rules that i can, people look to us that have been to the nationals,state championships and judged and ran, for knowledge to help them. this thread is for all that wish to chime in and hopefully we can have some judges that are recognized by usrcca in various locations throughout the nation that can help at "all" levels of competition thank you ahead of time Randy

12-05-2010, 10:37 PM	#11
rock hard dnf Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Under a big fkn rock. Posts: 1,901	So if judges are tested would they be required to retest each season,or as rules change? Would all judges have to take the test to be elligable to judge? If they do have to be elligable,and the last minute you need a judge for whatever reason,will you not be able to take any able body who steeped up to voluteer? My opinion,event organizer rules the roost at that event. I wouldnt want an organizer to need to motivate people to get qualified so they can sign up to judge. A organizer should work with the marshalls though to be assured the judges are aware of rules. I would suggest that certain scenarios that are possible to play out on any given course are different,and marshalls may want to forsee to the best of thier ability,those problems that course may offer ahead of time with the judges on each course. Not everyone calls things the same,but if its called the same on that course then whats the problem really. Now take for example at nationals,I was informed any rolling backward accidental or not was a reverse. So even if you rolled a small amount its a penalty. There was one 1.9 course the judge was very strick about that. the other courses wasnt. everyone on each course was judged consistantly all day. (except the repaire thing) So even great drivers who have been judging along time can screw up As not every driver was made aware by those judges in advance that off course repair was an option on that course. I have been to comps and if you roll back a bit its not called if judge can see it was unintentional.If he has integrity,and calls everyone the same. whats the issue. Now if a guys is doing what violater is mentioning,well thats an issue. But if you call your buddies for every reverse just like you did me, then I have myself have no reason to complain. Last edited by rock hard; 12-05-2010 at 10:44 PM.

12-05-2010, 09:26 AM	#2
666 MODERHATER™ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 10,939	I judge at just about every comp I go to. So I am on the list.

12-05-2010, 09:53 PM	#4
SoCo Crawlgirl Gold Star Baby! Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Vacaville Posts: 681	If there is a list where is it posted for others to see? and do you have to test to become a judge? and what is required to become a reconized USRCCA judge? there should be testing and resume requirements.Iit would help out the marshalls and club/people at local comps if there were more people knowledgable of the rules.

12-05-2010, 10:05 PM	#5
666 MODERHATER™ Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 10,939	You asked for a list of judges, I posted up. Sounds like I am the only one out of 81 people that have viewed this thread at this time. To be a true USRCCA judge you should be fluent with all rules without a doubt, and have plenty of experience. There is no set list, sounds like we are making it, not many want to devote their time, I can, will, and have!! Should there be a test? Maybe, what would you test them on? If you have to be tested on being a judge, maybe you shouldn't be one. It's simple but yet so complex to some. A resume? ......? So where are we going from here?

12-05-2010, 10:14 PM	#6
The Violator RCC Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Token's life matters Posts: 1,836	At the large qualifiers there probably should be some rules to who judges. I was a larger AZ comp and saw the judge not call gates on one of his local guys. I asked about it, but since he was one of the guys in charge, I guess my vote did not count. This same guy also runs cars that would never pass tech on the hopes people think it is a chassis it is not. I guess this guy wants to truely roll like one of his sponsors.

12-05-2010, 10:15 PM	#7
Fishmaxx I wanna be Dave Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: on a Big Rock Posts: 7,837	Currently there is no OFFICIAL list, but it something we are talking about in Rules Committee. We are also working on a Judges Test that will in the least be used to help educate all judges at any level, and possibly be used for some type of certification.

12-05-2010, 10:33 PM	#10
boosted4lyf I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tehachapi,Ca Posts: 2,334	I've tried searching for it to no avail but I remember a link to a judges test I believe it was in the chit chat section,who knows

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