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Petition/poll ~ Keep bodiless rigs in Sportsman!!!!

Do you want keep bodiless rigs in Sportsman?

  • No, they're too scary.

    Votes: 44 17.3%
  • Hell Yes!

    Votes: 210 82.7%

  • Total voters
    254
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This is great...great rule...Now I need to call all of my team drivers and quite a few of my customers and tell them they cant compete anymore or they have to change classes. Seems to me when people get together (behind closed doors) for the betterment of others they seldom take into consideration the wants and desires of those other's. Welcome to capitalism. I design test and build all of the parts I make and most of my parts are used by guys who run Sportsman or they run it as well as Pro. They have wasted their money on my product and that doesn't work for me at all...not one little bit. Nothing in a hobby should make you unhappy..and this just infuriates me. All that being said I designed my Vulture XR chassis to have a cab for bodiless or to use matching shock tabs for a bodied rig...but I can tell you this...I wont run a body. The Grappler has an 8" tunnel ram hood and I wouldnt build a rock crawler with the radiators and fans mounted on top like a Score/Tecate racer. I do like the Parma x-citer body but even as small as it is it needs to trimmed to a bodiless dimension to clear my Rovers and suspension. There are other bodies too but a great deal of the "Comp" bodies out there dont look real to me...So thats a dog that dont hunt (as previously mentioned). Until today I didnt give this ruling a whole lot of thought...I knew it was coming thanks to a heads up in a parkinglot at about midnight almost a year ago.

Sportsman needs to be left alone..the rules work well for the class and the drivers new and existing. Here locally Ive seen new guys show up at comps with basically box stock stick pack rigs thinking they could crawl cuz thats what the LHS told them..."you can take this out there on the rocks and crawl with those guys with this truck right out of the box....that'll be $349.99 please..." $800.00 later they can finally compete. If you want to attract more people to the sport then push the LHS's to stop lying to the new guys and Dad's buying their kids a toy. It sickens me to see a new guy all pissed off cuz his rig wont crawl a line that everyone else's rig will and he says..." the guy at "so and so" hobby shop didnt say anything about needing more parts or better ones." Unethical sales tactics and relentless "better than thou" attitudes are whats killing the hobby not the type of chassis' being run...if you wanna keep the new guys coming back or even coming in to begin with then DQ drivers when they cause a scene at a comp...or throw their rig 20 feet...or boycott the LHS that continually sells the RTR as a comp ready rig.

I voted for bodiless.

But regardless...it should have been put to the masses to avoid all of this to begin with...poor leadership IMHO.
 
Why is bodiless an issue?

I voted to keep bodiless, but I don't see why this should be an issue at all. I personally think there should be a separation of Shaffty and MOA. I think, currently in the rules it is optional to allow MOA. I think there should be no MOA in sportsman. If enough people want a digless MOA, then we make a class for that. Body or bodiless should be optional and that's my vote!"thumbsup"
 
Hmmm... I can see what will happen here. If the Rules Committee continues to make unpopular calls like this... Those who are smart will walk and create a rival body.

Simple, has worked a thousand times before, and will just leave 26 people playing with their bodied rigs :ror:
 
I voted to keep bodiless, but I don't see why this should be an issue at all. I personally think there should be a separation of Shaffty and MOA. I think, currently in the rules it is optional to allow MOA. I think there should be no MOA in sportsman. If enough people want a digless MOA, then we make a class for that. Body or bodiless should be optional and that's my vote!"thumbsup"

I personally dont have an issue with an MOA running Sportsman...my favorite line from all of the comps Ive been to was from a Pro MOA driver on a "Digless" course saying..."how do you turn?"
 
Here locally Ive seen new guys show up at comps with basically box stock stick pack rigs thinking they could crawl cuz thats what the LHS told them..."you can take this out there on the rocks and crawl with those guys with this truck right out of the box....that'll be $349.99 please..." $800.00 later they can finally compete.

And really that is the problem. Its not that our modifications are unfair, its that the starting point is so crummy. You've got to spend another $200 on a rtr to make it halfway reliable and competitive with any other rig that has been active for any appreciable amount of time. There really is no other form of rc competition that is like that.

I recently started short course racing, competing in both stock and modified classes.

Stock is just as it sounds. RTR tires, motor, and esc. No performance upgrades allowed. Nickel batteries only. In 3 nights of racing I've made it to the mains and features twice. Up until then I've never been on a track before.

When it comes time for modified or "run what you brung", I swap tires and motor and throw in a lipo. The first night out I qualified .23 seconds behind the pole.

All of this is not a testament to my driving ability (*cough* luck *cough*), but to what a solid and technologically up-to-date platform will do.

To be somewhat competitive with a new truck and a minimal amount of upgrades is what will draw in and keep new drivers. Cowing down to industry pressure to make things easier for their new or potential customers while simultaneously pissing off existing customers is not.
 
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G-Made R1 Rock Buggy is in that category too. That is decent entry level crawler.

Very good point! Not only would this rule have an effect on those that want to run a bodiless chassis, but it wipes out an entire truck. Yes, you could put a body on an R1, but that's not why people bought it. Duuuuuuuude, you forgot to post a link to this thread in the G-Made section.

Glad to see Thomas and the Creeper Crew showing up too "thumbsup"

This goes back to what I said earlier...I thought as the Rules Committee moved forward, they would not intentionally outlaw or ban anything that was currently being used. Bodiless in Sportsman has been around for too long to ban it now.
 
im new to this and only have my rs10 so me and my son can spend quality time together but neither of our chassis are stock his is a tuber and mine i built it all myself originally a bodiless design bit i replaced the cab with a bug body a couple of weeks ago but I say hey everyone has the same opportunity 2 buy what they want so let them run what they want
 
Very good point! Not only would this rule have an effect on those that want to run a bodiless chassis, but it wipes out an entire truck. Yes, you could put a body on an R1, but that's not why people bought it. Duuuuuuuude, you forgot to post a link to this thread in the G-Made section.

Glad to see Thomas and the Creeper Crew showing up too "thumbsup"

This goes back to what I said earlier...I thought as the Rules Committee moved forward, they would not intentionally outlaw or ban anything that was currently being used. Bodiless in Sportsman has been around for too long to ban it now.

Thanks Juan....SledRig gave me a shout about this and it took me a while to read the whole thread before posting up...I was aggravated by the idea but by the post before mine...Im Livid. Its one thing for the vendors who make stuff for certain brands...but its certain death for those who are THE AFTERMARKET for another brand...50-70% of my chassis sales are now useless to the owners. We hear it all the time...Support the VENDORS on RCC...this kind of support I dont need.
 
I haven't comp crawler in a few years do to burn out and the rapid cost escalation associated w/ a competitive 2.2 MOA rig.

Recently, I've been mulling a Sportman build for the next comp season and much prefer the bodiless rigs for the simple fact that they closer represent the 1:1 rigs I see competing.

To be honest, running a bodied rig has no attraction for me what so ever. Guess I'll build another scaler w/ the parts I've been accumulating.
 
Its one thing for the vendors who make stuff for certain brands...but its certain death for those who are THE AFTERMARKET for another brand...50-70% of my chassis sales are now useless to the owners.

I guess you didn't see the thread where all this originated. Here's a quote concerning existing bodiless rigs...

Why people are so stuck on the bodied/bodiless thing baffles me. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUY A NEW CHASSIS, just stick a body on it and call it good. Again I don't see how they wasted their money, just stick a body on it.
 
I prefer bodied rigs myself but the look of a bodiless is amazing when wired cleanly, I see no performance edge running bodied or bodyless so I don't see why both can't play together.
 
i absolutely love the fact that this thread is going on. it is a true testament to the whole logic behind crawling and why it is so fun. if a rule is made and we don't like it, we can voice that opinion and actually be heard and have our opinions taken into consideration! if you are a racer, you will know that if you tried to do this with ROAR making a rule you'd just be ignored or told to deal with it.

seeing how this thread is going is actually making me want to get out of racing all together and go solely to crawling. it's so much better being able to have a say in what happens in the hobby!!
 
My design is built in reverse to most bodiless chassis'...the lower side plates are set at 3" wide while the cab is inset between the lower plates to allow for more clearance when going in between narrow rock formations...the cab being narrower has allowed me to get through some spots that other bodiless and bodied rigs got hung up on....that was the reason for the design. I dont like the issues Ive had with the bodies Ive ran...and I really dont like the cost of a new body every couple of months...plus having to paint and then cut 60% of the body away so the rig can work.
 
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