Scx10. 2 Differences

[sawhead]

Can someone lay out the exact differences of the kit vs RTR vs Raw kit? I'm trying to decide which one to purchase, but I don't know the differences. I tried finding a thread and wasn't lucky at finding it. Someone should make it a sticky!

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[nightcrawler48]

There's not a short answer or right answer here. Best way is to go to the Axial website and look at all the SCX10 ii models available.

But as a start for you -

AXI90104 SCX10 II™ Raw Builders Kit $199.99
Includes all metal links for 11.4, 12.0, and 12.3 wheelbase.
Metal steering links
Plastic body shocks
Required to finish - Transmitter, receiver, ESC, motor, steering servo, wheels, tires, body (will require painting)
* * * * *Everything, kits and RTR, require batteries and charger * * * * *

AX90046 SCX10 II™ 2000 Jeep® Cherokee 1/10th Scale Electric 4WD – Kit $349.99
Includes metal links, adjustable, for 11.4, 12.0, and 12.3 wheelbase.
Metal steering links
ICON metal body shocks
Tires and wheels
2000 Jeep Wrangler body, requires painting
Required to finish - Transmitter, receiver, ESC, motor, steering servo

AX90066 SCX10 II™ Deadbolt™ 1/10th Scale Electric 4WD - RTR $299.99
Cheapest RTR - plastic everything - links, shock bodies.

The rest of the RTR models go up in price from there to the highest price model, $419.99 for the Blazer. And, as the price goes up you get more of the "options" that are "standard" on the builders kit or the 2000 Jeep® Cherokee kit.

Hope this helps in some small way to decide what might be best for you.

[LSXGMC]

Definitely check out the various models on Axials site and educate yourself there. It will help you understand what you are buying, and what potential upgrades you will need to plan for.

Link Quality: plastic, steel, and aluminum (in that order)

Transmission Gears: metal obviously better than plastic

Wheelbase: Blazer & Deadbolt for example are 12.0”, whereas the Cherokee and JK are the most-common 12.3” wheelbase (most aftermarket bodies available)

Axles:This is where it gets the most confusing. There are two housing styles: one-piece and multi-piece. I don’t think quality differs much necessarily. The one-piece are the most recent design and we’re likely a cost-cutting measure more than anything as there’s less parts and hardware.
The internals of the axles vary as well. Universal front shafts > dogbone style. HD Gears (separate ring gear & locker) > single-piece sintered metal ring gear/locker.

Shocks: aluminum only available in the kit, the rest are plastic, but they’re not great and you’ll likely replace them whichever way you go

The RBK includes additional rear links to be able to build to the three wheelbases mentioned above. Not only build, but also change in the future if you decide to change your body to one that requires a different wheelbase.

Bumpers, sliders, wheels and tires all vary with each kit. Ultimately, every piece is available separately so you can pick up stuff on eBay or any hobby shop if needed.

You’ll likely end up replacing wheels, tires, shocks, and electronics no matter which kit you go with.

[sawhead]

Here's what I put together. As far as I can tell, I got everything. I can adjust the info if someone finds anything to be incorrect.

All of them come with AR44 axles, WB drive shafts, one piece lockers, adjustable battery tray, chassis mounted TSX45 151 oz servo, 35t motor and TR325 receiver.

1. Raw Kit
All metal links (includes links for 12.3, 12 and 11.4)
4 link front and rear
Ax10 new tranny case metal gears
Plastic shocks
Cvds



2. Cherokee Kit
All metal links for 12.3
4 link front and rear
Scx10ii tranny metal gears
Aluminum shocks
Cvds
10* Adjustable C
K02 R35 tires



3. Deadbolt
All plastic links for 12
4 link rear
Ax10 new tranny case plastic gears
Plastic shocks
Dogbones
Grappler S30 tires
AE5 ESC
TTX200 radio



4. Honcho
All plastic links for 12.3
4 link rear
Ax10 new tranny case plastic gears
Plastic shocks
Dogbones
Wild Peak S30 tires
AE5L ESC
TTX200 radio



5. Blazer
All metal links for 12
4 link front and rear
Ax10 new tranny case plastic gears
Plastic shocks
Cvds
Wild Peak S30 tires
AE5L ESC
TTX300 radio



6. Cherokee
All metal links for 12.3
4 link front and rear
Ax10 old tranny case metal gears
Plastic shocks
Cvds
10* Adjustable C
KO2 S30 tires
AE5 ESC
TTX300 radio



7. Wrangler CRC
All metal links for 12.3
4 link front and rear
Ax10 new tranny case metal gears
Plastic shocks
Cvds
10* Adjustable C
Grappler S30 tires
AE5L ESC
TTX300 radio




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[Voodoobrew]

The blazer has 3 link front and cms, dosn't it?
Nice list though

I just looked at a bunch I think they are all 3 link front and CMS on the SCX10 II's

[sawhead]

Originally Posted by Voodoobrew

The blazer has 3 link front and cms, dosn't it?
Nice list though

I just looked at a bunch I think they are all 3 link front and CMS on the SCX10 II's

All have cms and as far as I can tell from the parts list the Blazer is 4 link front and rear and the rest appear to be correct unless someone can confirm otherwise.

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[JatoTheRipper]

The RAW builder's kit is odd in that they give you plastic shocks instead of aluminum (you'd have to replace them in either case because Axial shocks are garbage), the 3-gear trans instead of the new one from the Cherokee kit with the ability to be turned into a 2-speed, and they give you the Deadbolt's single-piece axle housings. You probably don't need the 2-speed transmission unless you want it as another "toy" to play with out on the trails. And I prefer the repairability and upgradability of the multi-piece axle housings, but the single-piece axle housings offer a little more scale appearance. But if anything breaks on the single-piece axle housings you have to replace them. Shouldn't be expensive, but you will always have plastic C-hubs that are built into the axle. Axial does give you aluminum links for all three wheelbases in the RAW kit, but you can only use one wheelbase at a time so this is a really odd decision in my mind.

The RAW kit is also $150 cheaper than the Cherokee kit, but you'll need a body, wheels and tires since it doesn't come with those items. The wheels and tires that do come with the Cherokee kit aren't great and I'd never use them so that's something to consider.

So, to summarize, the main differences are:

Cherokee kit
-New design transmission with the possibility to be made into 2-speed
-Includes body, wheels and tires
-Axle housings are made from multiple pieces

RAW kit
-3 gear transmission with no option to be a 2-speed
-No body, wheels or tires
-Single piece axle housings
-Includes extra, aluminum links

[sawhead]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

So, to summarize, the main differences are:

Cherokee kit
-New design transmission with the possibility to be made into 2-speed
-Includes body, wheels and tires
-Axle housings are made from multiple pieces

RAW kit
-3 gear transmission with no option to be a 2-speed
-No body, wheels or tires
-Single piece axle housings
-Includes extra, aluminum links

IMO, I wouldn't wast my money on either of those kits. i'd just go for the Cherokee RTR and the Wrangler.

[Col_Sanders]

Originally Posted by sawhead

IMO, I wouldn't wast my money on either of those kits. i'd just go for the Cherokee RTR and the Wrangler.

I'm all about the builder kit. That way you can build what you want from the start. The vast majority of us swap out the tires, wheels, bodies, bumpers, and electronics pretty fast so why pay for crap you arent going to use?

You could buy one of the Jeep RTRs and sell off the body, etc to recoup some cost if it is new (and you'd get the best Axial has to offer as far as parts go), but dealing with people and shipping can be annoying.

I'd buy the builders kit but upgrade to VP gears and lockers for the diffs and set aside a little cash for better shocks and links. You'll want to replace them before too long because Axial's shocks and rod ends are garbage.

[Frostman]

I’m just getting back into the hobby after a couple year hiatus. I went with the raw kit. My rationale was it didn’t come with all the BS I don’t use anyway. The only downside to me was the one piece axle housing up front and it came with shocks. I never used kit bodies, wheels, tires, or shocks anyway. Plus it didn’t have the giant tranny which I wouldn’t use as a two speed. To me it was perfect for what I do, but everyone is different.

[retro77]

I do want to get the Axial builders kit to use my Kit Cherokee body on, now that the Kit is being upgraded with an RC4WD Blazer body. All my work on the Kit Cherokee body has become art on the wall now...

[JatoTheRipper]

Originally Posted by sawhead

IMO, I wouldn't wast my money on either of those kits. i'd just go for the Cherokee RTR and the Wrangler.

When you buy RTR you waste money, especially when it comes to Axial. Their electronics are garbage and you will be replacing those in no time.

[lonleycreeper]

Then there's me, still running the stock shocks and electronics in my Honcho with the one piece axles and dogbones. I will post when one item fails.

[sawhead]

We all have our thing and ways of thinking. We all have our ideas on how much money we need to spend and which parts we need to upgrade. That's what makes it interesting.

[Browneye]

For me it would be the kit so I can put what I want on it.
One thing that might help you decide however, is the RBK is on backorder 'till April or thereabouts.

EDIT: oh, and BTW, the steel link on the axials are chincy looking skinny plated rods with threads on the ends of them, and you still get the really garbage ends. Not sure if they have metal pivot balls or not. I got the Blazer with the better stuff, and still replaced them all with nice alloy SSD stuff, upgraded ends, the whole she-bang.

I would still get the RBK. [shrug]

[jfalesi]

FWIW all SCX10.2 platforms are 3-link front with CMS and 4-link rear.

Also, the Blazer has metal transmission gears, not plastic.

[food2000]

I was at the track and talking to my buddy and.. why does the axial shocks Suck so bad (i have the plastic and icons)? They leak and they don't seem to articulate (comparing them to my traxxas GTS and proline).

Are the scxiii shocks any better?

I also know the is an old thread but...