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Old 01-29-2011, 08:14 PM   #21
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Being you mentioned him I agree. He does some neat ass wiring
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Old 01-29-2011, 11:33 PM   #23
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wireing doen by SMOKEY...
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this looks CLEAN !! Its amazing what a little wire wrap will do. I need to pick some up.
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Now after 30yrs of rc..I dont think I have ever seen a nicer wiring job, awesome work!
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It's pretty hard to argue about this, the "Smokey" wiring job is hands down the way to go But it does make me wonder why I did not see this or think of it myself years ago!


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I pride myself on using no zip ties. Here is a pic of mine same setup as briansbodies
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Old 01-30-2011, 01:55 AM   #24
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Very nice smokey, I like your work.
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Old 01-30-2011, 04:31 AM   #25
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This is my setup take it easy Im an electrician so you know how that goes
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Old 01-30-2011, 09:51 AM   #26
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Thanks Helhedded

I used to sleeve everything like smokey does, but it got to be a pain in a comp truck where you always need to work on something. Now in a scaler, it's the only clean way to do it. I've seen the sleeving down to 1/8" diameters, it's great for cleaning up the rats nest that our scalers usually are.

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whats the normal size for this sleeving you guys are using
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Old 01-30-2011, 12:09 PM   #28
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Sleeve can be found at McMaster-Carr in various designs and colors....

http://www.mcmaster.com/#sleeving/=atgo04

I just picked up some that is wrap-around and secures with velcro. Makes it easy to remove when stuff needs to come out.
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Old 01-30-2011, 12:11 PM   #29
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whats the normal size for this sleeving you guys are using
This is what I picked up last night from my local Fry's Electronics, drove little over an hour just to pick this up

http://www.frys.com/product/2281388;...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

$6.99 for 16FT
ID= 1/4"
Min. Diameter= 5/32"
Max Diameter= 7/16"

I was going to get 1/8" but it looked way to small & I didnt want it to be a super tight fit.
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This is what I picked up last night from my local Fry's Electronics, drove little over an hour just to pick this up

http://www.frys.com/product/2281388;...H:MAIN_RSLT_PG

$6.99 for 16FT
ID= 1/4"
Min. Diameter= 5/32"
Max Diameter= 7/16"

I was going to get 1/8" but it looked way to small & I didnt want it to be a super tight fit.
I use the 1/8 inch stuff if fits two 14awg wires yet is still small enough for a single servo wire
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Looks nice, adds weight.
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I use the 1/8 inch stuff if fits two 14awg wires yet is still small enough for a single servo wire
Maybe I'll stop and pick some 1/8" up sometime to give it a shot, I just didnt want to make an hour drive for something that wasn't going to work so I got the next size up.
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Looks nice, adds weight.
So does zip ties
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So does zip ties
So does 12 Ga wire and Deans plugs
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So does 12 Ga wire and Deans plugs
True. I'd be curious to see how much weight is saved using 18awg wire and micro deans.
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...18awg wire...
20 my friend

A long time ago my friend eric113 rewired from large wire and big Deans to smaller wire and micro deans. His wiring was a bit excessive in the beginning, but he managed to remove about 3 oz.

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20 my friend

A long time ago my friend eric113 rewired from large wire and big Deans to smaller wire and micro deans. His wiring was a bit excessive in the beginning, but he managed to remove about 3 oz.
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Not to pretend that I am any type of electronics guru, nor am I here to incite argument or anything of that sort. That said, I do have a question/comment of sorts.

I had always been of the understanding that smaller gauge wire, from batteries or to motors was a current bottle neck. I had also heard that the smaller gauge would not only heat up excessively, it would also rob the motor or electric system from drawing the amp/volts it needed to run at full potential. The smaller gauge was always relegated to smaller scale and less power applications, where as larger dia. was the norm for the 1/10 scale and up duties.

If any of this is true, then it seems like a very high price to pay for a 3oz. weight savings. Of course, if it is all just wives tales then why in the heck are so many of us wasting money on expensive large gauge noodle wire and full size Deans connectors!
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I'm so glad you asked me to back up my reasoning for using small wire and connectors

Your understanding of small wire being a bottleneck is absolutely correct. Wire that is too small will not allow you to pass the current needed, it will heat up, and eventually fail. But how small is too small? Before I made the switch to smaller wire and connectors I did a current study. After running a 5 minute course, I logged the amount of capacity that I used. It was really easy using my charger, as it has the info right on the screen. With 2 30T motors I use on average 120 mAh in 5 minutes. Let's say this is a really tough course and I used 200mAh in 5 minutes. Doing a little math.

200 mAh = .2 Ah = 12 Am (Amp minutes)

Divide that by how long you ran, in my case 5 minutes.

12 Am/5m= 2.4 Amps

2.4 Amps! That is the average current draw for my application

Now you tell me if you need wire that is rated for 100's of amps

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whoodie,

Not to pretend that I am any type of electronics guru, nor am I here to incite argument or anything of that sort. That said, I do have a question/comment of sorts.

I had always been of the understanding that smaller gauge wire, from batteries or to motors was a current bottle neck. I had also heard that the smaller gauge would not only heat up excessively, it would also rob the motor or electric system from drawing the amp/volts it needed to run at full potential. The smaller gauge was always relegated to smaller scale and less power applications, where as larger dia. was the norm for the 1/10 scale and up duties.

If any of this is true, then it seems like a very high price to pay for a 3oz. weight savings. Of course, if it is all just wives tales then why in the heck are so many of us wasting money on expensive large gauge noodle wire and full size Deans connectors!
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Well thank you so much for sharing this mini study of yours! I have always erred on the side of (let those that know more than me guide me) so the old school way of thinking I shared with you, was what I was taught years ago and some of it I'm sure carried over from my Car stereo/amplifier installation days. But good information is contagious and I believe you may have just added a convert to your ranks whoodie!

Now if we could convince my wife that "smaller is better"




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I'm so glad you asked me to back up my reasoning for using small wire and connectors

Your understanding of small wire being a bottleneck is absolutely correct. Wire that is too small will not allow you to pass the current needed, it will heat up, and eventually fail. But how small is too small? Before I made the switch to smaller wire and connectors I did a current study. After running a 5 minute course, I logged the amount of capacity that I used. It was really easy using my charger, as it has the info right on the screen. With 2 30T motors I use on average 120 mAh in 5 minutes. Let's say this is a really tough course and I used 200mAh in 5 minutes. Doing a little math.

200 mAh = .2 Ah = 12 Am (Amp minutes)

Divide that by how long you ran, in my case 5 minutes.

12 Am/5m= 2.4 Amps

2.4 Amps! That is the average current draw for my application

Now you tell me if you need wire that is rated for 100's of amps
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What guage wire are you using for the motor,dig,esc? im going to rewire mine now that i have seen this SUPER clean setup... Thank you



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