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Old 11-28-2010, 10:04 PM   #101
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If you changed "beliefs" to "facts" Id completely agree with you.

Can facts change? Sure. If theyre proven wrong by new facts.

Name a religion that changed at all by new discoveries in the last 2k years. None. They all stay the same.

What more logical way to live life than by what you learn?

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Old 11-28-2010, 10:11 PM   #102
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Both of you guys mentioned the earth being flat. Correct me if Im wrong but wasnt that in itself a "belief" at the time? Just as much a belief that it was round??

Im talking about fact. Not only what reads on paper but what you can see with your eyes. Both equally however..


I know a lot of current "theories" are being challenged in the scientific community right now, as well as new ones. This is how it will always be. And the truth will prevail.


And talking about past technology has nothing to do with the current. As we evolve, the truth becomes more undeniable.
Let me point out a few things I think

There are things that you cant see,but you can feel.

Man can not creat cold as he does heat.
All man can do is remove heat
man cant create dark,all he can do is remove light.

We cant see cold,but we feel it.

Man with "his light" removed,can himself become cold and dark.

I can feel things, A tightess of the neck,then my jaw stiffen.
I quiver behind my checks,and a tensing of my eyes.

These I "feel" when the spirit moves me.

I dont have to prove anything,I know myself what I know.

But science itself will oneday become "open minded" enough to
concede there is a devine creator.

Its really just a matter of succesfully conection the dots.
So far we see this dot and that dot,but there are others we have yet to identify.
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If you changed "beliefs" to "facts" Id completely agree with you.

Can facts change? Sure. If theyre proven wrong by new facts.

Name a religion that changed at all by new discoveries in the last 2k years. None. They all stay the same.

What more logical way to live life than by what you learn?
Have you "learned a religion"?

religion needs not change,infact its best it doesnt change.

Take the bible for instance

Many say the bible is the word of GOD.

The bible is a word of testimony,eye witness testimony of the accounts of those present at the time.

How can you "change" that?

Now,you seem like you need to see,to believe.

What if I told you that you CAN
see,touch,smell,hear GOD
and that evolution,everlasting life is far more simpler than you could imagine.

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Old 11-28-2010, 10:20 PM   #104
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If you changed "beliefs" to "facts" Id completely agree with you.

Can facts change? Sure. If theyre proven wrong by new facts.

Name a religion that changed at all by new discoveries in the last 2k years. None. They all stay the same.

What more logical way to live life than by what you learn?
Fact comes from belief. You believe something to be true, and to you it becomes fact. Christianity has changed over the years. New "truths" are found based on different perceptions of the text. If that were not so, then there would still only be one particular following, not thousands.
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Youre just underlining my point. Religion doesnt change. Its closeminded as hell. It is what it is and thats all itll ever be.

Once again, imo the most logical way to live life is from what you learn.
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Fact comes from belief. You believe something to be true, and to you it becomes fact. Christianity has changed over the years. New "truths" are found based on different perceptions of the text. If that were not so, then there would still only be one particular following, not thousands.



Once again, if someone told you the earth was round, would you really need to "believe" them?
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Both of you guys mentioned the earth being flat. Correct me if Im wrong but wasnt that in itself a "belief" at the time? Just as much a belief that it was round??

And talking about past technology has nothing to do with the current. As we evolve, the truth becomes more undeniable.
The first people credited to theorize the Earth's round shape were the Greeks.(Around the third century) I forget his name, anyways after measuring the radius of the Earth he theorized it was round. Now it took almost 2000 years for man to prove it by going to space.

It's taken 6000 years for technology to reach this point, science is truly beginning...
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Old 11-28-2010, 10:28 PM   #108
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science is truly beginning...


Isnt it exciting.....
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There are no undenialble facts unless there is no person who denies it.Everything begines as speculation,then it will be considered.
facts are presented,some will consider it possible,and study further.But some will consider it B.S. and will never truely open thier mind to the possiblility that the idea has merit.

One of my facts

Burning in a lake of fire

HMMMM

Its not like a physical being,its not even painfull in the sence of pain like when we burn here in our mortal form.

the pain,is more like a feeling of wast,lost forever.
Our souls forever left behind,going throug a cycle that will never end.
And as a result we{our souls} will never again be used for creation
the thing thats burning in a lake of fire is the water from our body (our soul)
forever being "burned" (staying evaporated) and never again having the chance to "evolve"(become life in any form)


Water h20
the father and son 2 part hydregen
the holy spirit the one part oxygen

your body is made up of this,and what becomes of it when you die.
Where will it go,what wil become of it when this world ends.

water,no life can exist without it.
evolution isnt a rat turning squirel
evolution is water becoming as many living things as it can on all planets

In nearly every instance when man encounters the deity,he comes in a cloud

This is one of my facts,anyone can deny the idea,therfore it is denieable.
Yet you can not prove my fact false to me.Making it undenialble to me.

So we each have our own facts,and none of these facts are truelly undeniable fact.unless there isnt one single person
alive who denies it as fact.

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Is there an exorcism going on or something????
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Once again, if someone told you the earth was round, would you really need to "believe" them?
That depends on what I was doing and how important that information was to me.
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Isnt it exciting.....
Yes, it is. You have to admit it's a shame humans can't find the proper balance between being open minded and having integrity.
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That depends on what I was doing and how important that information was to me.

Are you serious?
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Yes, it is. You have to admit it's a shame humans can't find the proper balance between being open minded and having integrity.



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Are you serious?
Yup.
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Yes, it is. You have to admit it's a shame humans can't find the proper balance between being open minded and having integrity.

True that

Sad thing is that personal agendas and profits often lean todays science in a particular outcome.

Just as if the da of a case leaves out "certain evidence" it changes what becomes fact.
Same goes for todays scientist who have no desire or possibly funding to test theories that may disprove other popular theory.
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Yup.



So if someone told you the earth was round, theres the faintest chance you might disagree, is that what youre saying?
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So if someone told you the earth was round, theres the faintest chance you might disagree, is that what youre saying?
Based on what I knew at the time, or if I even cared what shape it was, then I might be inclined to disagree or disregard it all together. I might also be inclined to take that new "round" information, and cross check it with other sources.

If I told you that there was a man with a gun standing right behind you, would you believe me, argue with me, or turn around and look for yourself?
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Old 11-28-2010, 10:51 PM   #119
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Youre MAD!!!! Lol!!!


Youve never seen a vid of the earth from outerspace???

What is there to argue?



































































Wait a minute......god just told me the moon is made of cheese.

Its fact. The moon is composed of compresed wisconsin chedder............
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I think Duuuuuuuude was getting into character of an average bum in the first century. On what to believe with limited understanding.
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