Fwck gun control

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

Everyone needs to be responsible for their actions, crazy or not.

Unfortunately personal responsibility is a long forgotten ideal these days.

Originally Posted by John

Maybe we should take a closer look at Japan's gun control policy.


Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.

The only guns that Japanese citizens can legally buy and use are shotguns and air rifles, and it's not easy to do.

In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone.

Handguns are forbidden absolutely. Small-caliber rifles have been illegal to buy, sell, or transfer since 1971. Anyone who owned a rifle before then is allowed to keep it, but their heirs are required to turn it over to the police once the owner dies.

OK let the bashing begin.

And in Japan the crazies use knives, swords etc. Don't blame the tool blame the user. Is my keyboard responsible for my typing errors? No. Not any more than my fork is responsible for me being fat.

[microgoat]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

There are people out there who know how to read those signs, but unfortunately, a lot of times, their hands are tied as to what can be done. What citizen would voluntarily give up their constitutional right to freedom because we are scared that they might do something crazy in the future?

Don't give them a choice! Lock up all the deviants. Don't have a facebook? More or less than 2.7 kids? Forwarding too many conservative e-mails? Holding onto outdated concepts like personal responsibility? You're going to mental health camp. In Siberia. For the rest of your life. And you'll like it.

[microgoat]

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

Team? Fuggoff I don't need a team.

Better watch this one. Anti-social tendencies.

[WHITE-TRASH]

Originally Posted by microgoat

Better watch this one. Anti-social tendencies.

I don't have a face book either. I better watch out the Brown shirts will surely be coming for me!

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

Aspergers is not to blame for this...it is merely a mild form of Autism....and can be described as mild social awkwardness...some would say the person is simply "shy". I have a family member that has been diagnosed with Aspergers and the diagnosing and family counseling parts are what my wife does for a living.

Agreed, but mental difficulties rarely come in single forms. Couple Aspergers with something else and it becomes a different situation. It's highly likely that this kid suffered from more than one thing.

[CREEPERBOB]

I personnally don't give a rats ass what was wrong with any of these jackass' that do these shootings, there all worthless pieces of sh*t.
We are in a difficult situation, not unlike any other situation throughout history though.
People just need to step up and report craziness, no matter how mundane it may be. Let someone with experiance determine the facts. Someone's small inconvenience may be someone's life.
.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by CREEPERBOB

I personnally don't give a rats ass what was wrong with any of these jackass' that do these shootings, there all worthless pieces of sh*t.
We are in a difficult situation, not unlike any other situation throughout history though.
People just need to step up and report craziness, no matter how mundane it may be. Let someone with experiance determine the facts. Someone's small inconvenience may be someone's life.
.

They aren't worthless, they've got a highly skewed view of reality and right/wrong that is not in their control. But yes, great care should be taken in their consideration.

[ghtpdm5]

yeah, with the cocktail of mental disorders, and the many i know with others, you're rarely just going to have a single definable disorder. my family and friends know (for the most part) that its a bad idea generally for me to have easy access to guns, i've got to request use of mine if i want to go shooting.

and gun control is pretty cut and dry to me. i have no clue where my guns are, ma knows exactly where they are though. part of gun control is controlling yourself, after a bad run in, this is my way of policing myself. i'm still unsure how after my past i'm still able to go and buy a rifle, but i can. mental health appointments are very frequent for me, and the professionals i talk to, my friends, and my family all agree that shooting may be fun, but having a gun and ammo in my reach are not. i was pissy about it at first, but i've accepted it.

[NoobCrawler]

I definitely agree that tighter gun laws aren't the answer. If someone wants to do something bad enough, they'll find a way. Also, on identifying the problem, as was mentioned in another thread, the person may "confess" to wanting/going to do something, but the people they tell tend to not taking them seriously, for whatever reason. That needs to change in order to fix this issue as well. But, first and foremost, there needs to be help and prevention for troubled people.

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

There are people out there who know how to read those signs, but unfortunately, a lot of times, their hands are tied as to what can be done. What citizen would voluntarily give up their constitutional right to freedom because we are scared that they might do something crazy in the future?

The help needs to be there, getting them there is something else we have to work on.

Originally Posted by microgoat

Yeah, right. It's 2012, that shit won't fly. Whatever you or I do, it's somebody else's fault.



All that does is create a black market, and drive prices up. Somebody flips their shit, you think they're going to worry about doing it legally?

You just said what needs to be fixed, self responsibility.

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

Unfortunately personal responsibility is a long forgotten ideal these days.




And in Japan the crazies use knives, swords etc. Don't blame the tool blame the user. Is my keyboard responsible for my typing errors? No. Not any more than my fork is responsible for me being fat.

And that what needs to be fix.

Originally Posted by CREEPERBOB

I personnally don't give a rats ass what was wrong with any of these jackass' that do these shootings, there all worthless pieces of sh*t.
We are in a difficult situation, not unlike any other situation throughout history though.
People just need to step up and report craziness, no matter how mundane it may be. Let someone with experiance determine the facts. Someone's small inconvenience may be someone's life.
.

We'll have to give alittle of our selfs won't we.

Originally Posted by WHITE-TRASH

I don't have a face book either. I better watch out the Brown shirts will surely be coming for me!

Facebook is a good place to find them.

[BJoe]

That's kind of a problem, these crazies aren't really on Facebook much, if at all.

[CREEPERBOB]

And now the next nut job has called a bomb threat into a church in the same town as the recent shooting .

[Frankenwheely]

Making guns illegal won't solve the problem. Look at narcotics. They're illegal, but people still get their hands on it. They just need to improve the rules and laws. I just bought a rifle other day. I have to jump through hoops, fill out a pile of paper work and wait 10 days before I even get it. What more can you do?

[Meatwad]

People who responsibly own firearms are rarely the ones committing crimes. If that did happen then it would make sense to make it harder to buy/own.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Agreed, but mental difficulties rarely come in single forms. Couple Aspergers with something else and it becomes a different situation. It's highly likely that this kid suffered from more than one thing.

Actually, I asked my wife about this and she said what is typically misdiagnosed as Aspergers when a kid is younger, actually turns out to be a thought disorder (an example is schizophrenia) when someone is older. Not saying that is the case with this person (as she has obviously never met him), but that is a common occurance.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

The help needs to be there, getting them there is something else we have to work on.

Oh, help is always there. The tough part is convincing the person and their family that they need help. My wife sits in court quite a few days out of the year doing this exact same thing.

[dezfan]

This has nothing to do with protecting our children. This is about control.

They are systematically dismantling our Constitutional Rights.

Tragic events like this shooting are nothing more than fodder to advance their agenda.

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

Oh, help is always there. The tough part is convincing the person and their family that they need help. My wife sits in court quite a few days out of the year doing this exact same thing.

Thats why people need to speak up when someone talks crazy.

[danielk]

Originally Posted by ghtpdm5

yeah, with the cocktail of mental disorders, and the many i know with others, you're rarely just going to have a single definable disorder. my family and friends know (for the most part) that its a bad idea generally for me to have easy access to guns, i've got to request use of mine if i want to go shooting.

and gun control is pretty cut and dry to me. i have no clue where my guns are, ma knows exactly where they are though. part of gun control is controlling yourself, after a bad run in, this is my way of policing myself. i'm still unsure how after my past i'm still able to go and buy a rifle, but i can. mental health appointments are very frequent for me, and the professionals i talk to, my friends, and my family all agree that shooting may be fun, but having a gun and ammo in my reach are not. i was pissy about it at first, but i've accepted it.

I'm quoting this to have it seen by the people who skipped over it. Here is someone who is directly related to the subject at hand and 5 or 6 people ignored him. Really?

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

Thats why people need to speak up when someone talks crazy.

She does usually 5,6, or 7 days a week....it's a shame when it falls on deaf ears.