Fwck gun control

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by cbr6fs

Point i'm making i if said dumb ass people didn't have access to said M4's a LOT more kids would have made it home that night

not everyone shows signs, and if they do, it may be to someone who is on ethier pc or iphone and doesnt nootice

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by joesbruiser

How can you say that?
That situation could have ended the same with about any firearm.

its cuz his thought and rational are based on emotion.

[danielk]

I just want to answer the question as to why an M$/AR15 is bad for hunting. Dudes, I don't like lead in my meat. 5.56 round is meant to mangle, not penetrate. Gross.

[Meatwad]

Originally Posted by cbr6fs

Completely agree

So shouldn't we as a society try and at least LIMIT the amount of harm these people can do?

Yep, straight jackets can help

Originally Posted by cbr6fs

Don't see anyone on a soap box meself, just people trying to come to terms with it and some discussing the best ways to prevent it happening again.

My soap box comment wasn't targeted at anyone in this thread. Happened to see some tv tards using the tragedy to their advantage.

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by joesbruiser

All this crap is ridiculous.
Next someone is going to say razors cause to many cuts when shaving so we need to ban them and all look like the guys on Duck Dynasty instead of learning to shave.

no, but they will soon be saying our rc batteries are bad for the envoroment and charge us a carbon tax to purchase.

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by danielk

I just want to answer the question as to why an M$/AR15 is bad for hunting. Dudes, I don't like lead in my meat. 5.56 round is meant to mangle, not penetrate. Gross.

my mini 14 with a 30rd clip is a life saver when I stalk hogs.

[dkf]

Next I keep seeing people say that a AR15/M4 is not good for hunting.
Can someone tell me why the hell not.
They are damn accurate from in your face targets to several hundred yards and they have plenty of knock down power in 5.56/223 to take all sorts of small game and in my state legal to take deer.Then you can swap uppers to say my 450 upper and take any game that walks on earth.

The AR platform is more suited for hunting now than it ever was. With more recent rounds like the .300blk, 6.5 grendel, .50 beuwolf, .458socom, .30ossm, and the various WSSM cartridges as well as the various wildcats it is highly viable for hunting.

[rock hard]

all this talk about guns, has made me want to share one of my favorite gun pics of all time...and my favoriite gun song of all time





her is the video to the song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TC2xTCb_GU


I got a feeling joebruiser may like this song

and another knobcreek vid, with canon
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=...hine+gun+shoot

[blackfabguy]

I'm a dad, and a gun owner. This event has put me in a situation that I thought id never be faced with. Should I send my 9 year old son to school in a bullet proof vest, or ar-15? Really? I live in the greatest country on earth and the citizens of that country can't even have enough decency to follow even rules of engagement? Killing Children? Common..
My standpoint is control the idiots buying guns. I like my weapons because I pay taxes to own them, taxes to live in the USA, and I have the right to shoot back at anyone who wants to take that away! My solution to help my son, I'm sewing a ballistics plate into his backpack. :cool:

Why have a civilization anymore, if we are no longer interested in being civilized??

[Krakker]

Originally Posted by johnnyh66

All Christian religions allow their followers to "buy" their forgiveness.

Are you really that dumb?
Funny, I don't ever remember hearing in a southern baptist church that you can "buy" forgiveness. Or even that repentance absolved you from the consiquences of your actions. I know it's the internet, but just because you feel the need to band wagon bash doesn't mean you wont get called out when you're wrong.

[4x4Ric]

Originally Posted by cbr6fs

The point is if gun sales are restricted it DOES prevent criminals getting them.
Sure a determined crim could probably find a gun with a few bullets, but for most that'd be extremely difficult.

A semi automatic assault rifle, no way jose.

not really, heroin has been illegal for years, yet its easliy bought on the streets, some say its easier to get than buying a gun

[Coops]

Originally Posted by joesbruiser

Next I keep seeing people say that a AR15/M4 is not good for hunting.
Can someone tell me why the hell not.

generally speaking you should only ever need 1 bullet to take down a deer, 2 if you're a bad shot. Why would you need a semi auto rifle that holds more than (pick any number more than 5). If you crack off a half dozen rounds at an animal to take it down you might as well leave it because there's a good chance there's not much good meat left which is pretty much the point of hunting. Don't shoot it if you're not going to eat it, unless it's varmints or bear control. What I'm getting at is there are better tools for that particular job. 223 round is also a bit light for most deer depending size and what you're hunting in, for instance thick brush. Using a 223 on an elk or moose sounds like a bad idea. Wiki 223, apparently it was developed to kill people (specifically) and was a good choice for varmints, not hunting (big game). With that in mind I've heard of someone taking a deer down with a pellet gun, was found on his neighbors front lawn the next day; true story.

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by Coops

generally speaking you should only ever need 1 bullet to take down a deer, 2 if you're a bad shot. Why would you need a semi auto rifle that holds more than (pick any number more than 5). If you crack off a half dozen rounds at an animal to take it down you might as well leave it because there's a good chance there's not much good meat left which is pretty much the point of hunting. Don't shoot it if you're not going to eat it, unless it's varmints or bear control. What I'm getting at is there are better tools for that particular job. 223 round is also a bit light for most deer depending size and what you're hunting in, for instance thick brush. Using a 223 on an elk or moose sounds like a bad idea. Wiki 223, apparently it was developed to kill people (specifically) and was a good choice for varmints, not hunting (big game). With that in mind I've heard of someone taking a deer down with a pellet gun, was found on his neighbors front lawn the next day; true story.

my 1st deer gun was a 22 mag ( I was 9 and my dad knew it wouldnt knock me out of teh tree )....223 aint to light
just cuz you have a 10rd clip, dont mean you need it for deer.
But I have come across fox, coyote, lynx, bobcat, hog, ect many times on my way to/from the blind.
plus I stalk my deer usually, so I come across all kinds of sht. even a few pouchers

and turtles,,,,,cant pass up a turtle

[MommaBear]

Originally Posted by cbr6fs

This is what i was saying earlier about the media and brain washing.

To me i see this as a guy insecure to the point of crazy, yet rather than what i'd consider the usual reply (i.e. seek a mental health expert) instead he's encouraged.

Not trying to be a jerk here, but as a guy who's travelled the world and has never once in his civilian life carried a concealed weapon.

It just seems crazy to me that a person could be THAT insecure that they wouldn't go anywhere unless they had a gun with them.

It's like basing your life and restricting the movements of you and your family for a 1 in a million chance that you might be frightened.

1. The media and their brainwashing is in an effort to support the gun control b.s., not the other way around. And so far, it is working on the sheeple.

2. Since you have never carried a concealed weapon, what makes you think you have the right to judge someone for doing so? It is about security not insecurity...

3. It is for the exact opposite of restricting movement of our families.

4. You don't even live in this country, so please stop comparing our environment to Europe's. You are trying to compare apples to oranges.

[Coops]

Originally Posted by rock hard

my 1st deer gun was a 22 mag ( I was 9 and my dad knew it wouldnt knock me out of teh tree )....223 aint to light
just cuz you have a 10rd clip, dont mean you need it for deer.
But I have come across fox, coyote, lynx, bobcat, hog, ect many times on my way to/from the blind.
plus I stalk my deer usually, so I come across all kinds of sht. even a few pouchers

and turtles,,,,,cant pass up a turtle

Out of curiosity, how heavy are the deer you're hunting? You're right though, a 223 will work, but it isn't my weapon of choice. Where I've been hunting there are lots of trees. Tracking something through the bush isn't my idea of fun. I shoot for the neck and it drops where it stands. 100-200 yard shot usually. I use a 30-06 Sako bolt with 165gr. 308 is popular but more and more guys are using bigger magnums which are fine for moose and elk but on a deer is overkill.

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by Coops

Out of curiosity, how heavy are the deer you're hunting? You're right though, a 223 will work, but it isn't my weapon of choice. Where I've been hunting there are lots of trees. Tracking something through the bush isn't my idea of fun. I shoot for the neck and it drops where it stands. 100-200 yard shot usually. I use a 30-06 Sako bolt with 165gr. 308 is popular but more and more guys are using bigger magnums which are fine for moose and elk but on a deer is overkill.

our deer are not big, usually field dress out around 150 on average
180 if your lucky..

I shot for the neck usually also, and not alot of llead is needed if properly placed.
Have droped wild hogs with my 22mag.....running shot for the front arm pit.
same hog, 22 wouldnt even penetrate the skin off its shoulder...but the pit is soft.
found this out as we was hunting jack rabbits one night....spot lighting, came across some hogs
actually the 1st hogs I had ever seen....opened up with no luck...
my dad said time it for the pit, I did, and she droped.

my shots vary
if I catch em in the thicket....25 yds close, personal, and peak of excitment IMO
you cant blink, fart, hell even snot runing out your nose will give you away.

if I catch em as the are entering/leaving the woods.....50-ish
but I often see em across hill tops, my longest shot was stepped off by 3 people
all fall around 350 yds...standing shot, leaning on tree...buck fever in the knees.


I went from 22 mag....to 30-30....then 243...I have found a home with my 30-06.

I stalk cuz I cant stand siting still when its cold...when its really dry like it is now, and lots of leaves ae on teh ground..stand hunting is my olny choice.

but in a wet season, the leaves are soft and dont make much noise..
It can takke me a hr to walk 30-40 yds in thickets...
I have actually goot to stalk 2 grups of turkkey one day...2 groupd of about
20 each..I learend alot about turkey that day.
for one, they cant pass up a pile of hay, and they are dumber than I originally thought.

[joesbruiser]

Originally Posted by Coops

generally speaking you should only ever need 1 bullet to take down a deer, 2 if you're a bad shot. Why would you need a semi auto rifle that holds more than (pick any number more than 5). If you crack off a half dozen rounds at an animal to take it down you might as well leave it because there's a good chance there's not much good meat left which is pretty much the point of hunting. Don't shoot it if you're not going to eat it, unless it's varmints or bear control. What I'm getting at is there are better tools for that particular job. 223 round is also a bit light for most deer depending size and what you're hunting in, for instance thick brush. Using a 223 on an elk or moose sounds like a bad idea. Wiki 223, apparently it was developed to kill people (specifically) and was a good choice for varmints, not hunting (big game). With that in mind I've heard of someone taking a deer down with a pellet gun, was found on his neighbors front lawn the next day; true story.

Personally I prefer to hunt with a pistol and when i do hunt which is not much that is what i use more than a rifle for big game.
But as said above the AR platform is a great hunting choice.
Take the 450 for instance it moves a 250gr projectile at a little over 1500fps out of a AR.So that to me sounds like a great large game round in heavy brush or out to 200yrds or a little more.
The AR is a great universal gun for way more reasons than its original design was built for.

[cbr6fs]

Originally Posted by joesbruiser

How can you say that?
That situation could have ended the same with about any firearm.

Absolute rubbish and if you believe that then your obsession with firearms is clouding your judgement to the point of insanity.

If this guy could only get his hand on a .22 or even a 38 a hell of a LOT more kids would have gone home that night.

If he only had access to a double barrelled shotgun then the teachers could have easily overpowered a skinny little kid like this in-between reloading.

Originally Posted by dkf

We use roughly 8,000,000,000 lbs of explosives in the US every year even if you can't make it you can get it one way or another. BTW I used amazon as an example there are so many sources it is not even funny. Again the US is not Europe.(thank god for that) Those exploding gun targets (tannerite) that I am sure your masters in Europe don't allow you to have we can get those all over. The components for tannerite are legal to buy. And I know exactly what "personal experience" you claim to have. LOL.

I don't understand the logic here.

I'm offering an opinion that due to the amount of nutters going round the US shooting folks with high powered big mag guns it might be time to think about doing something to try and prevent a tragedy like this occurring again.

Yet for some reason the only argument you folks can come back with is some rubbish about explosives.

What planet are you from?

This guy did NOT use explosives
From the evidence i've seen so far he did not plan this, it just kicked off.

You've then got other ops seemingly coming to the conclusion that because they were near enough to feel a explosion their knowledge is more than someone that's been working around explosives for the last 20 years.



I'm not talking about explosives as
a/ It has NOTHING to do with this tragedy
b/ It's not the responsible thing to do to talk about construction explosives on a public forum that kids read
c/ It has NOTHING to do with guns

Originally Posted by Meatwad

Yep, straight jackets can help



My soap box comment wasn't targeted at anyone in this thread. Happened to see some tv tards using the tragedy to their advantage.

Seems that the only response against a unemotional and logical opinion that keeping guns locked up when at home is to talk absolute bollox and to exaggerate that bollox until it becomes ridiculous.


Come on guys lets play grown ups here.

If NOTHING is done then your countries kids and innocent victims are going to suffer and die again and again and again.

If NOTHING is done then this sort of thing IS going to happen again, be it next week or next year.


It is NOT much of an inconvenience to have to apply for a license
It's NOT an inconvenience or great expense to buy a gun safe
It's NOT much of an inconvenience to have a cop come round to check your house security and gun safe
It's absolutely NO inconvenience to lock your guns up when not in use

To stomp your feet and act like a 9 year old kid who thinks someone is taking his candy away is NOT how a grown up should behave.

It's this absolutely selfish attitude that's going to be directly responsible for the next tragedy.

Stop being selfish and only worrying about your hobbies, stop being a little kid and stamping your feet.
Grow up and accept that the society we live in is fooooked up and we NEED to do something to prevent weapons of mass murder getting into these twats hands again.

I'm just a Brit offering an opinion from my own experiences, it's YOUR kids and family members that are under this threat.

Grow up and take some responsibility, the glory days of very slightly responsible nutters has gone, you NEED to try and restrict these nutters getting their hands on weapons of mass murder.

Sure they'll find another way to kill, but without mass murder weapons it would have been 15 or 10 more kids that would have goten to go home that night.

Again i'm not suggesting banning anything.
Just tighter licensing, better house security, and keeping guns in safes.
None are much of an inconvenience are they really compared to the cost of lives?

[binaryterror]

Originally Posted by cbr6fs

A semi automatic assault rifle = a LOT of damage + it's not much good for hunting

So an accurate gun using the same rounds as a standard hunting gun is not a good choice? Sure it is.

5.56 NATO = .223 hunting round
7.62 NATO = .308 hunting round

Those rounds came FROM the hunting rounds, they were not created and approved by NATO then became available.

Not to mention the ability to get multiple optics and personalize a gun to we

Originally Posted by cbr6fs

Travel to England or Europe and try to buy a semi automatic assault rifle, then come back and tell me that again.

The biggest fallacy in your posts is you are saying Assault Rifle...then trying to combine the semi-automatic to make an impact. Fact is to be an assault rifle the gun needs to be an automatic or burst fire. Any purchased AR15 or similar is semi automatic, and to get an actual assault rifle you need a class 3 license which registers the owner and guns.

Finally, before you jump on the wonderful world of being wrong...AR in AR15 has nothing to do with Assault Rifle like many believe. It comes from when it was being designed by Armalite, based on the companies name.

[joesbruiser]

Originally Posted by cbr6fs

Absolute rubbish and if you believe that then your obsession with firearms is clouding your judgement to the point of insanity.

If this guy could only get his hand on a .22 or even a 38 a hell of a LOT more kids would have gone home that night.

If he only had access to a double barrelled shotgun then the teachers could have easily overpowered a skinny little kid like this in-between reloading.



I don't understand the logic here.

?

I do believe its you that do not get it.
Do you have a clue how fast a 38 revolver can be reloaded and the damage that round can cause?
Or how fast any 1911,glock,or many other handguns can be reloaded.
Its not the style of guns fault it the idiot behind it.So doing away with certain guns is not going to fix anything.
IDPA Drills - YouTube

As for someone coming into my house to see whats in my safe not a chance.Its none of there business.