Sportsman class?

[Nicklepimp]

Originally Posted by djjiz

I suggest shaft only for the simple fact of keeping the budgets down and rigs comparable

What if a rtr moa is mass-produced and readily available for a fair price?

Or another way to look at it... What if someone wants to eventually move into the pro class but wants to start in the sportsman. They buy a moa right off the bat so that when they are ready they can just upgrade it and move to the pros.

Don't mind me playing the devil's advocate. Just trying to get everyone to see all points before deciding.

[djjiz]

"Budget" isn't in the rules so what the hell.

Does tuning with clod stall and break over help when dig isn't an option?

[Nicklepimp]

Originally Posted by djjiz

"Budget" isn't in the rules so what the hell.

Does tuning with clod stall and break over help when dig isn't an option?

Yes clod stall will be a factor to consider. What about the different gear ratio internals for the Axial axles? Not exactly the same, but it is similar.

[djjiz]

Maybe allow under/ overdrive with tires only? Or not at all? Still doesn't help the moa question but hey.. this is fun so far

[Nicklepimp]

Originally Posted by djjiz

Maybe allow under/ overdrive with tires only? Or not at all? Still doesn't help the moa question but hey.. this is fun so far

How do you tech for over/under?

As far as clod stall working like dig, it would only happen under load... like going up hill. So it couldn't be used at any given time like actual dig.

I'm having fun picking our brains too.

[djjiz]

Since shafts and moa's aren't getting split anytime soon (if ever) in the pro class then maybe it's only fair the sportsman class gets the same treatment?

[djjiz]

Can a maximum skid height rule even out axle design?

[Nicklepimp]

Originally Posted by djjiz

Can a maximum skid height rule even out axle design?

We should still keep to the USRCCA rules for any class we run, just for consistency in case anyone from another club attends.

[Nicklepimp]

Great questions Jiz. Let me add that I don't really care one way or the other since I would only run in the pro class either way. But once again, I'm just trying to get everyone's thinking caps going.

[djjiz]

It helps progress the sport I hope. I like the idea of new drivers, styles, ideas, and rig design.

I'll re read the rules. I skimmed a little quick.

Another idea tho.. Can we have top five to ten drivers from passed years stick to pro? Everyone has a pretty good grasp on crawling and rig design/ setup at that point and might encurage the new guys to comp all season with a points battle closer in the end?

[Etype R]

Don't see any reason to keep MOA's out of sportsman. I wouldn't want to make the guy who bought a red cat last fall and attended the howl crawl to have to jump straight into pro, or buy another rig just to compete on a lower level. I think we can keep the sand baggers out

[TomEGunn]

Originally Posted by Nicklepimp

We should still keep to the USRCCA rules for any class we run, just for consistency in case anyone from another club attends.

or just incase they make it a national class next yr or something, if it is as popular as it is looking here, it might happen soon.

As far as MOA , I don't know. The rulles say only one motor right?
If so. I guess you could run front wheel drive. lol
I think if you buy a MOA then you know the advantages and are planning on kicking butt, otherwise why buy one. if thats the case you should run Pro and get used to the compition you will be dealing with.

I think eventually they will split the shaftys and MOA, as the #'s are growing quickly, just look in the classifieds, shafty's for sale all the time.

IMO moa's are cheating anyways, show me one 1:1 crawler with engines on both axles and I"ll change that opinion.
I know, I know, "then run scalers"

how about:
Mod crawler class- moa
pro scale crawler-shafty
sp scale crawler- shafty
scale trail trucks- scalers

just an idea, not trying to start any more disputes, just throwing out possible future classes.

[Nicklepimp]

Originally Posted by TomEGunn

The rulles say only one motor right?

o 2.5.8 - (OPTIONAL) Vehicles are limited to 1 motor powering both of the axles.

It's been left optional so each individual club can decide what's best for them.

[dirtyal]

I think I'm going to step down to sportsman class

[greaser]

hey guys
total newb here but i got the redcat rs10 because it was 100 bucks cheaper then the next crawler i got it mostly for backyard fun but if i could i would like to be able to run a comp. The problem is that no one wants MOA trucks/buggies in sportsman and nobody lets rear steer in anything why not do sportsman as a run what you brung as long as it is off the shelf within reason? Now dont get me wrong i know tires, motors, bodies, and such need and will be changed so that could be alowed but no custom chasis, links, ect.....
Just a newb thinking out loud.

[Stormin2u]

Originally Posted by Nicklepimp

Yes, we can definitely do a poll here, but I'd like to continue to use this thread as the discussion around interest and concerns. Otherwise people would vote before they read others' views.

I like these rules and options **

Shaft trucks only (WB and body rules USRCCR)
No dig
7.4 volt NiMH or Nicad
Two channel radio function (any radio)
**Spec tire ( a good one)
**Minimum weight 7.5#
**No CVDs box stock inner and outer axles no over/under gearing

This could actually be a fun challenging class with a level playing feild it takes all the expensive techno advantages away and becomes not only is a great entry class but a true drivers class as well.

It's suitable for anyone is not interested in traveling, national competition or not willing or unable to provide the budget for the open class.

We should survey who will sign up for the class 2010 if there are only one or two I don't think it's worth it.

[dirtyal]

Originally Posted by Stormin2u

I like these rules and options **

Shaft trucks only (WB and body rules USRCCR)
No dig
7.4 volt NiMH or Nicad
Two channel radio function (any radio)
**Spec tire ( a good one)
**Minimum weight 7.5#
**No CVDs box stock inner and outer axles no over/under gearing

This could actually be a fun challenging class with a level playing feild it takes all the expensive techno advantages away and becomes not only is a great entry class but a true drivers class as well.

It's suitable for anyone is not interested in traveling, national competition or not willing or unable to provide the budget for the open class.

We should survey who will sign up for the class 2010 if there are only one or two I don't think it's worth it.

How will you tech the over/under gearing?

[TomEGunn]

Originally Posted by dirtyal

How will you tech the over/under gearing?

could you mark the tire with chalk and hit the gas for a couple seconds, then see if they still line up. if you have differant gears they would not match up. easier than trying to watch the speed by eye.
Just a thought, don't know if it would work or not. I don't have any gear differance in my rig.
Maybe someone that does have over/under gears could try it?

[tjb]

Originally Posted by dirtyal

How will you tech the over/under gearing?

Show up with motors dismounted. Not only will we see what pinion, but also how well you can set gear mesh..


Isn't this sportsman crap all because of the MOA's anyhow?

How come no one is bitching yet that the Losi LCC isn't going to meet specs for sportsman due to factory dig? Granted a losi product meeting spec out of the box would be a Ripley moment in it's own right....

[Etype R]

Originally Posted by Stormin2u

I like these rules and options **

Shaft trucks only (WB and body rules USRCCR)
No dig
7.4 volt NiMH or Nicad
Two channel radio function (any radio)
**Spec tire ( a good one)
**Minimum weight 7.5#
**No CVDs box stock inner and outer axles no over/under gearing

This could actually be a fun challenging class with a level playing feild it takes all the expensive techno advantages away and becomes not only is a great entry class but a true drivers class as well.

It's suitable for anyone is not interested in traveling, national competition or not willing or unable to provide the budget for the open class.

We should survey who will sign up for the class 2010 if there are only one or two I don't think it's worth it.

-This would require most people to buy new batteries
-We hardly tech the WB, adding weight and gearing to a entry class wouldn't work for us
-The losi crawler comes with CVD's box stock, that would give it a clear advantage over the other trucks.


Keep it simple, run the USRCA rules. We don't need to restrict batteries and tires. The point of this class is to let those drivers compete on their own level. Once a sportsman class driver wants more of a challange, they do not need to spend any more money to step it up, other then adding dig