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[(marzo)]

Originally Posted by Crawl Space

You could even take it a step further and paint them to look rusted

oh, yes!

great idea!


I will do it


thanks

[Noll11]

have finally got my LR3 together and have had a few runs to iron the bugs out of it, so i thought I'd post it up here to clarify the number of points it gets, as well as any legality issues that I may have missed.

Pics (kinda washed out but good enough):












As it stands now, I believe that points wise it's as follows:

8 - hardbody
2 - inner fender wells
5 - 4 seat interior
1 - suv cargo area
3 - rear leafs
5 - CMS
4 - tcase
1 - license plate (is it one total or 1 for each f/r?)
1 - wipers
1 - tow strap
1 - pull pal
1 - opening doors, hood, and tailgate
1 - spare tire mount (interior)
4 - head and tail-lights
2 - winch

Current total of -40. Going to be adding more scale stuff, metal bumpers, etc soon to bring that up some more.

Is there anything that I'm giving points to that I shouldn't be getting, or conversely forgot to give points to? Legality wise I'm pretty confident it's good for C1 - any issues with that?

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by Noll11

have finally got my LR3 together and have had a few runs to iron the bugs out of it, so i thought I'd post it up here to clarify the number of points it gets, as well as any legality issues that I may have missed.

Pics (kinda washed out but good enough):












As it stands now, I believe that points wise it's as follows:

8 - hardbody
2 - inner fender wells
5 - 4 seat interior
1 - suv cargo area
3 - rear leafs
5 - CMS
4 - tcase
1 - license plate (is it one total or 1 for each f/r?)
1 - wipers
1 - tow strap
1 - pull pal
1 - opening doors, hood, and tailgate
1 - spare tire mount (interior)
4 - head and tail-lights
2 - winch

Current total of -40. Going to be adding more scale stuff, metal bumpers, etc soon to bring that up some more.

Is there anything that I'm giving points to that I shouldn't be getting, or conversely forgot to give points to? Legality wise I'm pretty confident it's good for C1 - any issues with that?

Looks to be Class 1 legal as far as track width.

Headlights and taillights are -2 for both. License plates are -1 no matter how many you have. The rest of it looks good as far as I can see. Your spare tire counts too, so your maxed out at -8 on functional items. Keep building her up!

[Noll11]

Awesome, thanks!

[Tgreer]

Ok, got an interior question on my rig. Right now it's got 1 row, 2d interior, 2 head and arms, this gets me 4 points. I want to do a wraith spawn interior up front, add a full figure to the passenger side, and move what I have in there now to the second row. How do i score that? The front row would have 3D interior, driver is from the shins up (no feet), passenger would be full figure. The second row would be 2d interior and 2 head and arm figures.

[(marzo)]

Originally Posted by Crawl Space

You could even take it a step further and paint them to look rusted

[Exocaged]

How about removing the transmission and just having a Center Diff on a C3 vehicle? Like a 1/8 CD with 120K oil or higher so it only gives a little on climbs?

[doublej]

Originally Posted by Tgreer

Ok, got an interior question on my rig. Right now it's got 1 row, 2d interior, 2 head and arms, this gets me 4 points. I want to do a wraith spawn interior up front, add a full figure to the passenger side, and move what I have in there now to the second row. How do i score that? The front row would have 3D interior, driver is from the shins up (no feet), passenger would be full figure. The second row would be 2d interior and 2 head and arm figures.

This has been brought up before and I want to say it was said all or nothing, so all 3d or all 2d.
Ill do my best to explain why:

-4 - 3d 2 seat interior
-2 - 2d 2 seat interior
total of -6 scale points when a 4 seat 3d interior is only -5.

The rules just were not written to take everything into account - They can't be. The scale points are meant to reward building and scale details that hinder performance. So to give another example, take a wraith with metal crossbars. You can't give the same points for half a metal cage that someone with a full metal tuber gets.
Now you are adding a lot with the way your asking, but again the idea of 3d and 2d interior in the same truck was not really taken into account. And I think to make it a fair option within the current rules they would have to rewrite the whole interior points section.

Hope that helps without crushing dreams - you have a really good truck.

Originally Posted by Exocaged

How about removing the transmission and just having a Center Diff on a C3 vehicle? Like a 1/8 CD with 120K oil or higher so it only gives a little on climbs?

Like a EXO Terra center diff? Its been done a couple ways over. As long as its 1 tranny or diff to run the front and rear axle, I don't see how you could go wrong.

[Exocaged]

Yes just single center diff and one motor.

[Tgreer]

I got the idea from you doublej, so are you saying count all four seats as 2D, then two full figures up front and 2 head and arms in the rear?

[Tgreer]

4 total for interior, 2 for two heads with arms, 8 for two full figures up front total 14. Is this correct?????

[doublej]

Originally Posted by Tgreer

I got the idea from you doublej, so are you saying count all four seats as 2D, then two full figures up front and 2 head and arms in the rear?

Oh sure, blame it on me. lol
If your going to count all 4 seats as 2D then it would be -13 total. 4 seat 2d is only 3 points not 4.
I would buy off on that at a tech table, its a fair compromise plus I can completely understand wanting to use what you have.

But that's just me.

[Tgreer]

13 points is way better than the 4 I currently have, thanks for your help doublej!

[Exocaged]

If I put a driveshaft directly on the motor output shaft and run that to an axial transmission or even a pinion on a center diff.

Would that count as a Transfercase?

[War Pig]

If it transfers power from a transmission to the axles then it gets transfer case points.

[Exocaged]

Originally Posted by War Pig

If it transfers power from a transmission to the axles then it gets transfer case points.

I'm guessing that would be a no?

Motor in engine compartment with a driveshaft on its output, that driveshaft straight to axial trans or center diff, trans or center diff to axles.

Maybe that better explains what I'm asking. If I could get a definitive answer either way it will determine my future build.

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by Exocaged

I'm guessing that would be a no?

Motor in engine compartment with a driveshaft on its output, that driveshaft straight to axial trans or center diff, trans or center diff to axles.

Maybe that better explains what I'm asking. If I could get a definitive answer either way it will determine my future build.

I guess I'm trying to figure out where the spur and pinion gear are located? If you have the motor mounted to some kind of gear reduction assembly and that goes to a transmission or t-case that splits it to the front and rear axle then yes. How are you going to drive an Axial transmission with just a motor and no spur? You would have virtually no gear reduction.

[Exocaged]

there would be one pinion on the center diff, that pinion would be driven by a driveshaft directly off the motor mounted under the hood, no gearbox on the motor at all.

I'm no artist but maybe this will help

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by Exocaged

there would be one pinion on the center diff, that pinion would be driven by a driveshaft directly off the motor mounted under the hood, no gearbox on the motor at all.

I'm no artist but maybe this will help

I guess that would be considered a t-case, but I'm just not sure that you are going to have enough gear reduction to make it work. An axial transmission by itself has a 2.6:1 gear ratio. Add to that a typical spur/pinion reduction of 5:1. Not sure dealing with that is worth -4 points, but it's not my rig. Good luck.

[Exocaged]

If that's a yes I will give some serious thought when the build happens. IDK if I will have enough reduction either but its getting a Tekin T8 1950kv motor. I converted an ofna LX2e buggy to a crawler with a 1600 kv motor and it would crawl fine even with 4s and obviously had insane speed too...lol