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[War Pig]

Please ask any questions here. Thanks!

[cherokee pat]

can we get a printable version ?

[joeyf]

class 2?



• Flatbeds that run the full length of the rail chassis are allowed. The bed must be as wide as the cab the entire length of the bed.



would i not get flatbed points for this or could it be grouped in with the below statement and still get flatbed points?

- Dovetailing the rear *a truggy/tube bed that is narrower than the cab counts as a dovetail

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

I have never understood this, you get -3 for having a functional winch, yet every time you use it, you get +3. Why is that? Isn't the time it takes you to use it penalty enough?

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Originally Posted by baddman

I love the new rules thanks for all the work from all involved.

I've been speaking with a few guys and this question came up.

If you follow the rules were going by the manufacture listed hight of the tire.

This rule change is Copied from rules.
Class-3 Modified. Tire modifications are permitted, as long as the tire is no larger than 5.75" in diameter measured off the vehicle laying on it's side, and all tire parts are from a legal scale tire.

It says that if you modded a tire and its over 5.75 inches its now illegal.

So the new pitbull tires that are listed 5.75 inches so with a cut on the lug from anything would now be illegal because it's really over the 5.75 listed size if you lay it on its side and measure it.
Although it was never modded to come out that large it's now illegal.

But would still be illegal.

cutting the lugs isn't a mod that will change the measurement of the tire, but making a custom tire is a mod that you would have to check measurement.

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

I think the rules look great , I thought there was going to more change and glad there's not .

[baddman]

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

cutting the lugs isn't a mod that will change the measurement of the tire, but making a custom tire is a mod that you would have to check measurement.

Ok makes sence but its kinda covering up the problem.

I guess my point is why follow a size that's not real?

So if I build a set of super swamper sx's using the sidewall from a new pitbull2 I'm not legal if I make it the same size as the pitbull2.
Something seems off with a rule that allows the supplier to make up what ever they want on the package of the product.

[ROCKEDUP RICKY]

Originally Posted by baddman

Ok makes sence but its kinda covering up the problem.

I guess my point is why follow a size that's not real?

So if I build a set of super swamper sx's using the sidewall from a new pitbull2 I'm not legal if I make it the same size as the pitbull2.
Something seems off with a rule that allows the supplier to make up what ever they want on the package of the product.

Manufactor's specs is what the rule goes by. Build your own tire and it can't be over 5.75. It's pretty simple.
You could stuff a tire with enough foam to make it out of spec, thus why we go by factory specs. I don't have a pitbull in front of me to measure. If it hasn't been mod, there would be no need to measure it cause we go by the factory specs.
A pic of your over sized pitbull would be cool.

[BoostFreak]

• Tube fenders: Must be mounted to chassis - metal -1 (per pair)

What's the reasoning for this. On the JK tube fenders on a real 1:1 are fender mounted, but yet on a 1:10 they have to be chassis mounted. That's one of the popular body's out there. The only time I really see a tube fender chassis mounted is on a tuber or a truck that has a full exo cage.

So again I ask what's the reasoning for this?

[baddman]

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

Manufactor's specs is what the rule goes by. Build your own tire and it can't be over 5.75. It's pretty simple.
You could stuff a tire with enough foam to make it out of spec, thus why we go by factory specs. I don't have a pitbull in front of me to measure. If it hasn't been mod, there would be no need to measure it cause we go by the factory specs.
A pic of your over sized pitbull would be cool.

I'm totally cool with the rules this is just one that seemed odd. Just thought I'd lay it out.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by BoostFreak

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What's the reasoning for this. On the JK tube fenders on a real 1:1 are fender mounted

What good are tube fenders mounted to the fender sheet metal? Do they help keep shopping carts off the body panels at the grocery store? Maybe I can get some for my wife's Corolla...

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by cherokee pat

can we get a printable version ?

Should have one in the future.

Originally Posted by joeyf

class 2?



• Flatbeds that run the full length of the rail chassis are allowed. The bed must be as wide as the cab the entire length of the bed.



would i not get flatbed points for this or could it be grouped in with the below statement and still get flatbed points?

- Dovetailing the rear *a truggy/tube bed that is narrower than the cab counts as a dovetail

That wouldn't be legal in Class 1 but you could call it a tube bed in Class 2 and count it as a dovetail .

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

I have never understood this, you get -3 for having a functional winch, yet every time you use it, you get +3. Why is that? Isn't the time it takes you to use it penalty enough?

Too many people use their winch instead of driving. Having a winching penalty "should" force people to drive instead of pulling winch every time. Plus, points really count more than time in this kind of competition so penalizing winches tends to make people run in a shorter amount of time.

Originally Posted by baddman

I love the new rules thanks for all the work from all involved.

I've been speaking with a few guys and this question came up.

If you follow the rules were going by the manufacture listed hight of the tire.

This rule change is Copied from rules.
Class-3 Modified. Tire modifications are permitted, as long as the tire is no larger than 5.75" in diameter measured off the vehicle laying on it's side, and all tire parts are from a legal scale tire.

It says that if you modded a tire and its over 5.75 inches its now illegal.

So the new pitbull tires that are listed 5.75 inches so with a cut on the lug from anything would now be illegal because it's really over the 5.75 listed size if you lay it on its side and measure it.
Although it was never modded to come out that large it's now illegal.

But would still be illegal.

As long as you haven't modified the carcass of the tire, you won;'t have to measure it. Manufacturer specs are for the most part VERY accurate (within .1") which really doesn't effect the performance since tires will end up different sizes on different wheels on different rigs with different foams. If a tire were to come out obviously oversized then it will be dealt with.

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

I think the rules look great , I thought there was going to more change and glad there's not .

Once we tackled a few things we realized that they were working pretty well.

Originally Posted by baddman

Ok makes sence but its kinda covering up the problem.

I guess my point is why follow a size that's not real?

So if I build a set of super swamper sx's using the sidewall from a new pitbull2 I'm not legal if I make it the same size as the pitbull2.
Something seems off with a rule that allows the supplier to make up what ever they want on the package of the product.

Again, a Pitbull 2 off the wheel is right at 5.75". What's the problem here?

Originally Posted by BoostFreak

• Tube fenders: Must be mounted to chassis - metal -1 (per pair)

What's the reasoning for this. On the JK tube fenders on a real 1:1 are fender mounted, but yet on a 1:10 they have to be chassis mounted. That's one of the popular body's out there. The only time I really see a tube fender chassis mounted is on a tuber or a truck that has a full exo cage.

So again I ask what's the reasoning for this?

This is something that I though the committee had agreed on but we are in discussion to see if this should have made it into the 2013 rules. Mostly because of "tube fenders" like this:



Should the above rig get the same points for a tube fender as this?





I'm surprised nobody has any questions about track width/body width in Class 3......

[Dready]

Don't mention Class 3 Tim!!!

[War Pig]

I woke up this morning expecting all hell to break loose and there was no mention. Either it's easy to understand or people completely glossed over it .

[Dready]

Originally Posted by War Pig

I woke up this morning expecting all hell to break loose and there was no mention. Either it's easy to understand or people completely glossed over it .

I thought they'd be at least 1 person with the Hump
Kind of dissapointed now

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Seen it. I fall within spec.

I think it should keep the 1/12 bodies off AR60 axles now.

[Dready]

Originally Posted by DISTURBIN' tha PEACE

Seen it. I fall within spec.

I think it should keep the 1/12 bodies off AR60 axles now.

Lets hope so because that was the whole reasoning behind it.

[War Pig]

I think the easiest way to check the Class 3 width restrictions is to buy a piece of 5/8" dowel 18" long. Drop it between the body and your tires on one side. If it hits the axle.... too wide, if it gets stuck.... you're legal! Check the other side just to make sure. Of course there will be instances where the axle won't be perfectly centered on the body (due to builder error or other reasons ) but the dowel is an easy way to check real quick.

[JokersWild]

Originally Posted by War Pig

I woke up this morning expecting all hell to break loose and there was no mention. Either it's easy to understand or people completely glossed over it .

I got a question tim...... it states that

• Class 3 body minimum specs:
Rock sliders, mirrors, etc do not count in these measurements:
- The distance between the inside of the tires (of any axle) can be no greater than 1.25" more than the width of the body at the doors. *Example* (7" inside-of-tire to inside-of-tire = body must be 5.75" wide).
- The body must be at least 5" wide from the front to the rear of the doors.
- Tire height can be no more than 0.5" taller than cab height. Height is measured from the bottom of the skid to the top of the bodywork/tube not including a light bar. (5.5" tire = 5" tall from bottom of skid to top of cab/tubework)

This is according to your example.......

if i have 7 inch from inside to inside..... and i subtract 1.25 inches per side..... being 2.5 inches total, this leaves me with 4.5 inches.... but the min of the body must be a min of 5 inches.... so if i ran a body of 5 inches wide with a width of 7 inches between inside to inside of each tire this will leave me with 1 inch per side between body and inside of tire. The max is 1.25 inches so im not seeing how the body would have to be a width of 5.75 and not just the min of 5 inch.

also if i went with the min body of 5 inch and then added the max of 1.25 per side I would end up with the min i could run between tire to tire would be 7.5 inches and the example is a half inch under that measurement. So this would mean with the narrowest you could go with your measurement between tire to tire with the narrowest body width would be 7.5 inches


or am i getting to the end of all this and realizing that you are saying 1.25 total??? LOL. Me math and driving down the road texting all of this is retarded.

also just so im clarified on this..... we measure from the inside of the tire??? or the rim?

if so how do i get an exact number of this??? do i measure where the tire is not contacting the ground? what if a rig is toed in or out? And some of the foam and tire combo allow to slide the foam around and actually move the tire one way or the other. I just want to be clear on this before i start setting my offsets on my rims and such.

[DISTURBIN' tha PEACE]

Originally Posted by JokersWild

1.25 inches per side..... being 2.5 inches total

You got this wrong. 1.25" total. 5/8" per side.