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[Noll11]

Great, that's what I thought!

Now I just need to build it...

[801RYAN]

The truck in my signature runs both classes and is very competitive when the driver doesn't have his head up his

[eric113]

I ran my mog in C1 & C2 at the scale comp in Co this year. Just swapped wheels and tires.

[Noll11]

Awesome, good to know! I have about 3 weeks to get things done, so it's time to get a move on.

[Scrap]

Just remember that a class 1 truck might not be class 2 legal.
Two things that come to mind are the front bumper and the tyre to door width.
Front bumper needs to be chassis mounted in C2 compared to body mounted in C1. And the measurement from the insides of the tyres cannot be greater than the width of the cab at the doors compered to just the tyre coverage which you can do with flares in C1.

A question:
Does the removal of the front fenders from a Jeep JK body, or similar, count as a pinched front?

[duellym]

this may have been asked before, but do I need a winch?

[Scrap]

It's not compulsory but very much recommended.

Winching yourself out of a bind is only 3 points. Having someone else do it is 10 points.

[Highmark]

Originally Posted by Scrap

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Front bumper needs to be chassis mounted in C2 compared to body mounted in C1.

A question:
Does the removal of the front fenders from a Jeep JK body, or similar, count as a pinched front?

That's not correct. See rule wording below:

• Full width bumpers are required on the front and rear of the vehicle. Bumpers that are molded into the body qualify. A rear bumper is not required on a flatbed, but adding one to the flatbed will gain the additional scale points. (Bumpers are measured from the outsides and must be the width of your windshield).

For points in any class they do have to be chassis mounted - see below:

Bumpers: (items must be chassis mounted and separate from the body)
• Bumpers: metal -3 each, plastic -1 each
• Stinger/grill guard: -1

I wouldn't think removing fenders would be counted as pinching the front as you're not modifying the hood or anything. One of the benefits of having a jeep.

[duellym]

Originally Posted by Scrap

It's not compulsory but very much recommended.

Winching yourself out of a bind is only 3 points. Having someone else do it is 10 points.

ok thanks, I wish there were places around here that do scale comps :(

Originally Posted by Highmark

I wouldn't think removing fenders would be counted as pinching the front as you're not modifying the hood or anything. One of the benefits of having a jeep.

wouldn't that change your class though?

[Scrap]

Originally Posted by Highmark

That's not correct.

From the C2 details:

A front bumper is required and must be mounted to the vehicle's rail chassis

So a chassis mounted bumper is required for C2. In C1 you can have a bumper that is molded or mounted to the body.
You are correct in that sense that IF you want scale points for your bumper it needs to be chassis mounted in all the classes.

Originally Posted by duellym

wouldn't that change your class though?

From C1 to C2. But the real advantage is that if removing the fenders doesn't count as a pinched front then you are still allowed to dovetail the rear and add boatsides to the body while keeping the truck in C2. Only two of the three bodymods mentioned above are allowed on a single C2 truck.

[doublej]

Originally Posted by Scrap

From C1 to C2. But the real advantage is that if removing the fenders doesn't count as a pinched front then you are still allowed to dovetail the rear and add boatsides to the body while keeping the truck in C2. Only two of the three bodymods mentioned above are allowed on a single C2 truck.

As I see it, if you remove fenders on a jeep it is no different than people opening up the wheel wells on a truck to fit most 1.9 tires. The fender on a jeep is small already and the hood over laps the fenders way more than on most bodies.

So no if the jeeps hood is still full width then you have not dove nosed it.

But if you are trying to run that jeep in C1 and C2 you can not taper the rear in C1.

[Scrap]

Thanks. That's good to know.

I believe the tyre coverage will be an issue if you remove the fenders and try to get into C1.

[(marzo)]

hello.
another question:


the winch can be operated from a friend while I drive ?

( I have the command of the winch separate to radio tx )

[doublej]

Originally Posted by (marzo)

hello.
another question:


the winch can be operated from a friend while I drive ?

( I have the command of the winch separate to radio tx )

No sir.

[JOETRUCKER80]

Its prob already been asked but I want to be clear b4 my next comp.
I will be pissin in ppl's cheerios when I want to run my Twin Hammers as a Class 2 rig.
It seems I am only going to need to add a front bumper to this truck to do it. I just want to see if there is anything to ensure it spec's out for class 2.

front bumper, hmmmmmm.... (width of Chassis or windshield?)
Tire size, check
Width of inner wheels to chassis width, check

That seems to be the main points to qualify for class 2 with a TH.
Am I right?
Can anyone back me up on this before I go steeling another podium place finish?
This way when I go to tech I can display this post to the crybabies who cant drive!
P>S> I'm an admin for the club, so we can bend rules, I need support here to reinforce running the TH in this class.

THANX!

[GiJoe]

Originally Posted by JOETRUCKER80

Its prob already been asked but I want to be clear b4 my next comp.
I will be pissin in ppl's cheerios when I want to run my Twin Hammers as a Class 2 rig.
It seems I am only going to need to add a front bumper to this truck to do it. I just want to see if there is anything to ensure it spec's out for class 2.

front bumper, hmmmmmm.... (width of Chassis or windshield?)
Tire size, check
Width of inner wheels to chassis width, check

That seems to be the main points to qualify for class 2 with a TH.
Am I right?
Can anyone back me up on this before I go steeling another podium place finish?
This way when I go to tech I can display this post to the crybabies who cant drive!
P>S> I'm an admin for the club, so we can bend rules, I need support here to reinforce running the TH in this class.

THANX!

SORRCA may step in on this, but I recently ran tech for the Team KNK TTC. We had a new guy show up with a Twin Hammers, and we did exactly as you described...

He added a front bumper attached to the frame (wider than frame rails), added a lexan hood to bring the 2/3 width rule for a pinched nose into spec,
and ensured all other dimensions (chassis length, inside of front tires, etc) were met.


Its a tub chassis, not a full tuber, so we let him into C2.

152 entries in C2 that day! Nobody had an issue with him...

If brought into C2 spec, no one should have any issues with you either!

[JOETRUCKER80]

Thank you! I didnt think of the hood , i have an exo hood that should be perfect!

[Noll11]

so, I have a flatbed question. For C1, it's stated that a flatbed must be at least as wide as the cab. What I'm wondering is, does this include fenders?

the bed that I've mocked up is currently slightly thinner then the full width with fenders, but would be legal if just the cab is what needs to be referenced - I'm planning on narrowing it to just fit the 1/2 tire rule before building it, but if that's not legal, i'll just widen it a little more.

Pic below:


Thoughts?

EDIT: Pic updated to reflect current bed dimensions

[hotwheels000]

I see no reason why that would not be legal as pictured. You are actually wider than the cab.

[Noll11]

Great! Just wanted to clarify if fenders were included in the measurement, but if they're not, that's good!