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PipeDreams · 03-16-2008, 11:47 AM

Ya the only thing with this setup is you can't run dig.... so swapping the tranny/skid around works better because then you can run dig.... but with out dig this would probably work better. I made my own custom lower skid and moved the tranny and motor forward to help with weight.

EeePee · 03-16-2008, 01:10 PM

I've elected to not run any dig crap on this truck for as long as I can stand it. Had it on my TLT and sure it has it's moments where it'll save me a reverse once or twice, but for the most part all I see is people over using it unnecessarily and doing bad at the comps anyways. Me and my no dig having truck have two first places this year, so I'm good to go without it... for now.

What's that saying? Learn to drive the truck... quit throwing money at it cause you can't drive...

Something like that.

Whiskers · 03-20-2008, 10:53 AM

I had to bump this. I just tried it, and the improvement it made is awesome. The truck is much more stable and predictable. It's much more fun to drive now.

There is still some chassis roll, but not near as much as before, and the tire doesn't climb for the sky on every little climb. The turning radius also seems to be equal to the left and right now.

Also, I was able to drop the extra preload off the left rear shock.

Try it, you will probably like it.

Hordsak · 03-25-2008, 02:35 AM

I'm going to do this on the weekend. Looks like a good mod to me.

Mr Hyde · 03-26-2008, 09:30 PM

That is so in your face that u dont see it just wanted to say thanks for the tip that is a great way of transfering weight

offmyaxials · 03-27-2008, 05:16 AM

just tried this little mod, it took 10 minutes and has a very positive effect , nice, thanks. OMA

EeePee · 03-27-2008, 03:19 PM

Good to hear it guys.

djw · 07-08-2008, 06:16 AM

it works great! thnx!

biggin69 · 07-08-2008, 04:02 PM

Nice find!

DANA60 · 07-08-2008, 05:04 PM

I'm next cuz the torque twist is killing me!!!!!!

Reflection · 07-08-2008, 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DANA60

I'm next cuz the torque twist is killing me!!!!!!

I don't see how it'll effect that in the least. Torque twist is from the rotation of the drivetrain.....your drivetrain will still spin the same direction. As far as weight placement of the motor,isn't this the same as flipping the tranny around? That has no effect on torque twist.

DANA60 · 07-08-2008, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raptorman57

I don't see how it'll effect that in the least. Torque twist is from the rotation of the drivetrain.....your drivetrain will still spin the same direction. As far as weight placement of the motor,isn't this the same as flipping the tranny around? That has no effect on torque twist.

Hey Raptor what do you suggest to get rid of the twist effect from the train?
My rig tends to twist when torque is applied when off camber and therefore throwing the rig off the rocks!!

Reflection · 07-08-2008, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DANA60

Hey Raptor what do you suggest to get rid of the twist effect from the train?
My rig tends to twist when torque is applied when off camber and therefore throwing the rig off the rocks!!

Just going off your username,you fool with 1:1 stuff.....You know anything about linked suspension configuration and squat/anti squat numbers? The numbers from a 1:1 can be scaled down for similar results. You can dial some twist out with proper geometry. Adjust your shock oil,spring rates and preload. The side that squats in the rear under acceloration....for the most part,thicker oil and heavier spring rates can help that. There's no "set in stone" set up since EVERY rig varies and the driver for each rig varies. Get a few different weight oils and springs with different rates and test it out. Theres lots of tech about this subject throughout RCC,it's been beat to death.

EeePee · 07-08-2008, 10:45 PM

And you know I've beaten this stuff to death myself, and I can assure you, it'll make a difference.

Weight placement makes a difference.

DANA60 · 07-08-2008, 11:25 PM

Im no expert but wont "spring preload" and stiff springs eliminate droop from the rear suspension.

robert97dodge · 07-08-2008, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DANA60

Im no expert but wont "spring preload" and stiff springs eliminate droop from the rear suspension.

When you have the springs on the outside of the shock there is no droop. The way to get it to droop would be to remove the springs from the outside of the shocks and installed some inside on the top and bottm of the piston.

Robbob · 07-09-2008, 05:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raptorman57

I don't see how it'll effect that in the least. Torque twist is from the rotation of the drivetrain.....your drivetrain will still spin the same direction. As far as weight placement of the motor,isn't this the same as flipping the tranny around? That has no effect on torque twist.

when you just flip the tranny the motor weight hangs on the right rear, with the mirror build you get the weight shifted to the right front. add that in with a motor spacer and you get more weight on that tire.

agreed not the cure but for me a big difference. i dont like the spring preloads fixes or trying different weights to compensate, makes me feel like the truck can do unpredictable things.

just my 92 posts worth of opinion

CreepyCrawl · 07-09-2008, 06:21 AM

Re-built my tranny last night to the mirrored configuration. I think it will make a substantial improvement in the overall performance of the 2.2 Hustler that it's going in. I've watched my crawling buddys who built theirs to the manual, and then the one guy who flipped his, and it does make a difference. The Hustler is already one planted little chassis...can't wait to see it with the motor weight to the right front tire.

Reflection · 07-09-2008, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EeePee

And you know I've beaten this stuff to death myself, and I can assure you, it'll make a difference.

Weight placement makes a difference.

I know you have and I'm sure you've tried as many different things as I have. If it's helped...Cool!

I know weight placement is a big thing.

This is just my observation......

I've got 2 Axial 2.2's,my sons and mine. One,the motor is hanging out the right side and the other is hanging out the left. Both rigs have the same amount of torque twist. One thing I noticed...looking at the tranny/motor,the heaviest part of the motor is still in the same spot right next to the tranny. Really,the only part of the motor that was moved foward was the endbell.

I'm not trying to argue anything,these are just my observations with what I've tried. Personally,it hasn't helped me in the least. Shock set up and link configuration has helped with most of my torque twist. If it's helping you guys....cool dealio.

Archer414 · 07-11-2008, 07:32 AM

I am trying this out on my crawler (first one). I got the tranny installed and tried running it around the basement. Doesn't seem to have much chassis roll when going forward. Cannot wait to get this crawler out on the rocks and see how this mod performs.

03-26-2008, 09:30 PM	#25
Mr Hyde Quarry Creeper Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, Ca. Posts: 464	great idea That is so in your face that u dont see it just wanted to say thanks for the tip that is a great way of transfering weight

03-27-2008, 05:16 AM	#26
offmyaxials Newbie Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: EDINBURGH,SCOTLAND Posts: 49	thanks man!! just tried this little mod, it took 10 minutes and has a very positive effect , nice, thanks. OMA

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03-16-2008, 11:47 AM	#21
PipeDreams RCC Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Winnipeg Posts: 1,296	Ya the only thing with this setup is you can't run dig.... so swapping the tranny/skid around works better because then you can run dig.... but with out dig this would probably work better. I made my own custom lower skid and moved the tranny and motor forward to help with weight.

03-16-2008, 01:10 PM	#22
EeePee MODERATOR™ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 18,928	I've elected to not run any dig crap on this truck for as long as I can stand it. Had it on my TLT and sure it has it's moments where it'll save me a reverse once or twice, but for the most part all I see is people over using it unnecessarily and doing bad at the comps anyways. Me and my no dig having truck have two first places this year, so I'm good to go without it... for now. What's that saying? Learn to drive the truck... quit throwing money at it cause you can't drive... Something like that.

03-20-2008, 10:53 AM	#23
Whiskers Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Sheridan Posts: 6	I had to bump this. I just tried it, and the improvement it made is awesome. The truck is much more stable and predictable. It's much more fun to drive now. There is still some chassis roll, but not near as much as before, and the tire doesn't climb for the sky on every little climb. The turning radius also seems to be equal to the left and right now. Also, I was able to drop the extra preload off the left rear shock. Try it, you will probably like it.

03-25-2008, 02:35 AM	#24
Hordsak Pebble Pounder Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Maple Ridge, BC Posts: 113	I'm going to do this on the weekend. Looks like a good mod to me.

03-27-2008, 03:19 PM	#27
EeePee MODERATOR™ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 18,928	Good to hear it guys.

07-08-2008, 06:16 AM	#28
djw Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Prague, Czech Rep. Posts: 16	it works great! thnx!

07-08-2008, 04:02 PM	#29
biggin69 I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Southwestern, Ohio Posts: 2,671	Nice find!

07-08-2008, 05:04 PM	#30
DANA60 Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 27	I'm next cuz the torque twist is killing me!!!!!!

07-08-2008, 10:45 PM	#34
EeePee MODERATOR™ Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 18,928	And you know I've beaten this stuff to death myself, and I can assure you, it'll make a difference. Weight placement makes a difference.

07-08-2008, 11:25 PM	#35
DANA60 Newbie Join Date: May 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 27	Im no expert but wont "spring preload" and stiff springs eliminate droop from the rear suspension.

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07-09-2008, 06:21 AM	#38
CreepyCrawl I wanna be Dave Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Centered Posts: 2,082	Re-built my tranny last night to the mirrored configuration. I think it will make a substantial improvement in the overall performance of the 2.2 Hustler that it's going in. I've watched my crawling buddys who built theirs to the manual, and then the one guy who flipped his, and it does make a difference. The Hustler is already one planted little chassis...can't wait to see it with the motor weight to the right front tire.

07-11-2008, 07:32 AM	#40
Archer414 Pebble Pounder Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canterbury Posts: 189	I am trying this out on my crawler (first one). I got the tranny installed and tried running it around the basement. Doesn't seem to have much chassis roll when going forward. Cannot wait to get this crawler out on the rocks and see how this mod performs.

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