Harley's $50 Poison Spyder Wraith Budget Build

[ChronicCrawler]

Originally Posted by 67mustang

I agree 3300 is way fast. I have an 1800kv right now and she will rip on 8" rok loks. This is after jumping from a 1200kv. Same torque, just more wheelspeed. Specs say its 33% faster than a 1200....and it feels like it. Runs through batteries about 20% faster. I would run the 1800 on 3s for sure though.

Is the 1200 as least as fast as the stock motor?

[jwall046]

I want a tekin ROK also. Very interested in this opinion.

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[67mustang]

Nah a brushed 20t is like around 2500-3000kv. A 1200kv is like 45-55t. I wouldnt recommend a 1200kv for anything with 2.2 sized tires. You want 2300kv+. (assuming you run 2,3 cell). If you run the 1800, youll want 4s.

[MattTheGenus]

I like my 1200kv on 3s in my wraith, I come home when I'm bored not when I break something.

[evan03]

From researching into brushed turn specs the actual kv is all over the place.
Unless the manufacture states kv on they're brushed motors Wichita a lot don't. They leave it to us to judge the seat of our pants feeling to decide what turn brushed motor to buy.



Kv needs to be the printed spec that all motors real a round. Also can't forget how many watts. With kv and watts we know how fast and how powerful

I run 2 100 on 2 - 6s I'd agree on 22 it's slow on 3 so it still slow but picking up. On 4 so she's starting to move, s5 she's really coming alive and on 6s she's a beast on the sand and will fling sand rooster tails for miles

[67mustang]

Originally Posted by MattTheGenus

I like my 1200kv on 3s in my wraith, I come home when I'm bored not when I break something.

I agree. Wheelspeed leads to breakage. Only recently have I stepped up to an 1800. I love the extra wheelspeed and I feel like the wraith drivetrain can take the extra rpms. I dont feel like it will break. This is a 1800kv 9/66 gearing with 40 series rok loks. Point is, dont limit your wheelspeed so much that it keeps you from conquering climbs for the sake of reliability.

[WesTX]

I know this is an old build, but trying to sort out exactly what length the shocks were from SuperShafty as well as what springs you were using?

Thanks for any help you can offer Harley.

Wes

[o0wiz0o]

Great thread but in my opinion I would like to see a "Budget" build avoid using VP. This is high end kit most struggle to afford. I like to see what can be built from other parties products. I believe a Wraith can be made durable for a hell of a lot less.

Lots of great info though thanks.

[Sp3cia1-K]

Originally Posted by o0wiz0o

Great thread but in my opinion I would like to see a "Budget" build avoid using VP. This is high end kit most struggle to afford. I like to see what can be built from other parties products. I believe a Wraith can be made durable for a hell of a lot less.

Lots of great info though thanks.

It isn't meant to be a 'budget' or 'cheap' build in common terms as such, but instead a set 'budget' for a set time period, be it per month or per week in this case.

[o0wiz0o]

Fair point. I guess the title can be misconstrued.

[Harley]

Originally Posted by WesTX

I know this is an old build, but trying to sort out exactly what length the shocks were from SuperShafty as well as what springs you were using?

Thanks for any help you can offer Harley.

Wes

I believe they were just standard 4" for the most part.

Originally Posted by o0wiz0o

Great thread but in my opinion I would like to see a "Budget" build avoid using VP. This is high end kit most struggle to afford. I like to see what can be built from other parties products. I believe a Wraith can be made durable for a hell of a lot less.

Lots of great info though thanks.

VP parts were used because they offered an advantage in their design. Using cheap parts that don't offer any advantage over a stock plastic part other than the material is not always the right choice.

Some cheaper parts are fine to use, such as why I went with Axial universals instead of VVD's at the time. Now the price has dropped on the VVD's and they may have been an option.

[Wizardman]

Harley what is the advantage of the vanquish vvds over the axial universals? Is it just strengh ? A friend told me after I had purchased the vvds that the universals have more steering.

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[Harley]

Originally Posted by Wizardman

Harley what is the advantage of the vanquish vvds over the axial universals? Is it just strengh ? I was told after I purchased the vvds from a friend that the universals have more steering .

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I do believe you can technically get more steering out of the universals. The updated VVD's do have more beef to the drivecup now and are priced very nicely. The universals hold up really well but I usually have to swap them out midseason after I either wear them out or break an ear off. I still think the universals are a great choice, but the new VVD's are definitely worth a look now with the new price.

[Wizardman]

Originally Posted by Harley

I do believe you can technically get more steering out of the universals. The updated VVD's do have more beef to the drivecup now and are priced very nicely. The universals hold up really well but I usually have to swap them out midseason after I either wear them out or break an ear off. I still think the universals are a great choice, but the new VVD's are definitely worth a look now with the new price.

Alright man thanks for the reply. I guess I may just keep the vvds for backup till I break the universals. As the universals are still doing fine at this point.

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[jwall046]

Have no idea why I haven't watched a long time ago!

Do you run pan hard set up at all?

[Harley]

Originally Posted by jwall046

Have no idea why I haven't watched a long time ago!

Do you run pan hard set up at all?

I did on previous builds but never got around to it on this build. The servo on axle setup is great for performance. The panhard setup is for looks to help hide the servo. Properly setup, you'll notice almost no difference in performance.

[jwall046]

Great vids!

Anywhere we could see how to properly set up a pan hard?

[Harley]

Originally Posted by jwall046

Great vids!

Anywhere we could see how to properly set up a pan hard?

I believe there is a thread around here from awhile back where I'm sure I chimed in .

[o0wiz0o]

Originally Posted by Harley

VP parts were used because they offered an advantage in their design. Using cheap parts that don't offer any advantage over a stock plastic part other than the material is not always the right choice.

Some cheaper parts are fine to use, such as why I went with Axial universals instead of VVD's at the time. Now the price has dropped on the VVD's and they may have been an option.

That's fair enough. For the budget orientated though I still think VP Titanium links etc are overkill. You can make your own and use that budget elsewhere. VP axles/knuckles/C-Hubs also seem to be for the bling. There are cheaper alternatives that cost less and do offer advantage over stock.

But I understand at the end of the day it's each to their own and people will buy what they want. On my First Wraith I fell for the VP bling and this time round will spend the money more wisely so as my budget goes further.

Still great work on all your trucks and I am a fan!

[Harley]

Originally Posted by o0wiz0o

That's fair enough. For the budget orientated though I still think VP Titanium links etc are overkill. You can make your own and use that budget elsewhere. VP axles/knuckles/C-Hubs also seem to be for the bling. There are cheaper alternatives that cost less and do offer advantage over stock.

The examples you gave are probably the most worthwhile upgrades to list! Ti links are one of the best options, titanium is a fantastic material for links as it slides well and is very rigid. When I make my own links I typically use stainless which is a good material but not as tough as Ti. Most links available use smaller 3mm threads which are too weak for big power trucks. Pulling threads out of 3mm links is a pretty easy task.

VP knuckles offer high steer options which is not something you find on most other options. As well as the ability to use many of the aftermarket parts such as the RcBro knuckle weights like I used. Again, these are one of the best choices to make.

The Currie axles, those are mainly cosmetic over some of the other options, but that is not something that I used initially on the build either.