AX-10 coming to an end as we know it?

[joshsmith512]

sorry i am somewhat of a newb, can someone explain a shafty and a moa for me, de-dede.

[freetimecrawler]

Originally Posted by joshsmith512

sorry i am somewhat of a newb, can someone explain a shafty and a moa for me, de-dede.

Shafty = truck with center transmission, 1 motor and drive shafts.
MOA = motor on axle, in the case of a Berg or Clod, on each axle.

[Josh87]

Originally Posted by liketocrawl

Can you explain this please?

With the motors on the axles all of the weight is in the axles, not up in the chassis like a shafty. So with all of the weight so low you can run higher ground clearence and actually still have a lower center of gravity.

[joshsmith512]

thanks freetimecrawler, our lhs has comps every wed night and we have run scale and 2.2 and i have yet to see any one of the 30 plus drivers bring a moa rig, i thought they would be confined to super class. i have seen the hot racing axles that are moa thought it would be intersting but have no want to get them. what axles are moa that you can run in 2.2?

[Harvo]

" AX-10 coming to an end as we know it? "













No.

[coolkidjf7]

Originally Posted by joshsmith512

thanks freetimecrawler, our lhs has comps every wed night and we have run scale and 2.2 and i have yet to see any one of the 30 plus drivers bring a moa rig, i thought they would be confined to super class. i have seen the hot racing axles that are moa thought it would be intersting but have no want to get them. what axles are moa that you can run in 2.2?

Any and all moa axles are legal for 2.2

[charga71]

I totally agree with you. This is my first year in the R/C Crawler world and about my fifteenth year building a crawler to run down to moab every year with the family and friends. Unfortunatly, I live in the middle of BFE Wyoming where there aren't many comps and after just competing in St. George, I think my pocket book is it for the long haul. There aren't many people around where I live to wheel with and learn from but I work/live 100 miles north of my house in Pinedale, WY and I was blessed with meeting a Gentleman who took first in Scaler Nationals last year. He has been doing the Crawler/Scaler comps for about ten years and has taught me alot about building a competitive rig and alot of the tricks of the trade. He told himself never, never would he buy a MOA(BERG). But to be competitive, he bought one and when we go out and crawl the nearest rock slab(almost every night), The berg Whoops the shaftys everytime. I agree everything has it's advantages and disadvantages but come on here!!! I'm talking about things like 1. the electrical current putting power to the nearest motor(in the berg mostly the front). Which in turn makes the front start rotating before the rear- not dig but may as well be. 2. Have you ever noticed how a berg can dig uphill? it is because when it is in front dig, the rear isn't locked up like your shafty digs work, but it is running on the drag brake therefore it is possible to dig up hill. 3. Rear dig and front dig on the same vehicle. If I have to argue this I'm in the wrong forum. 4. If nothing else, There should be a regulation for using two motors to one motor in the same rig. This could bring up wieght arguements.

I don't know how to further back my info up. All I can tell you is what I see. My buddy that I talked about earlier took his plain jane stock Berg down to St. George and missed 3rd place by one point out of 50 people. Don't get me wrong, Lance is a great driver but we have both talked ourselves blue in the face and agree that there is an advantage to MOA over Shaffties.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by austinquattro

Recently I attended a few R/C Rock Crawling competitions with a friend and promptly revived an interest in R/C cars that was absent since the '80's when I got my first RC-10 with the Gold Aluminum Tub Chassis.

right there sums it up, dont take this wrong but you've been gone for quite a Long time, things have changed.

i was away from R/Cs for 3 years and was surprised about what had changed but nothing has discouraged me or made me question why I came back, and I came from Touring Car and Oval into Rock Crawling with a big throttle finger.

Practice with what you have and you'll be kicking those Bergs before you know it. You said you went out and bought a lot of the add ons for it as well , im assuming they were things that either your friend said you needed or they looked flashy and you thought you had to have them to do good. Wrong approach.

One club I run with has a Berg in it, the last comp I went to he had trouble getting up the first gate and had flaws just like the rest of us with shafts did.

Just like any form of racing, depending on who's hands the rig is in determines why it finishes or fails.

I think a lot of drivers around here can understand your frustration and would agree not to let all those Bergs make you think your rig is winless. Like a lot have hinted towards here already, if Bergs were that dominate then you'd see a lot more of them. Their just the new toy on the street and the guys winning with them are a lot that have won with shafts before.

[666]

Me personally think there is no way the Axial will die, or the shafty as it looks you are implying. They both are acquired tastes. I do prefer the MOA's but there are always places where a shafty will do better, as I witnessed today and many other times. And there are places a MOA will excel. It's all the driver.

[Kamikaze]

Somebody call 911 we need .....

[gator71]

Evolution doesn't always make things better,What you can do with it makes the differrence!

[bcrofts]

Originally Posted by Kamikaze

Please not this crap again..........

what he said

[coolkidjf7]

Guys, shafy's can "dig" uphill, it's called freewheel, something a MOA can't do. Shafty's can have f/r dig, I haven't seen it yet but it can be done quite easily...

[sloth]

The front and rear dig on a shafty has been done right here in Colorado.It just takes a little work to make it all fit and work properly and he does very well with it.It all comes down to who is driving!!

[BILLYGOAT]

I Say Leave It Alone. There Are Always Going To Be A Few That Cant Leave This Alone . 2.2 Is Evolving Fast With All The New Players In The Crawler Section Of Rc Hobbies And Sometimes You Need To Evolve With The Hobbie . Dont Limit Innovation With A Fear Of Being Beat By It . If Some People Would Have Found It First They Would Be Basking In The Glory. Alot Of Top Drivers Are Going Back To Shaftys Because The Chassis Technology Has Improved And Evolved From Builders Designing For Berg That Work Better For Shaftys. I Know Del Monte And Gatekeeper Are Back To Shaftys So There Must Still Be Something To Shafty. Be Competitive And Have Fun. Even If You Get Beat!!!

[BILLYGOAT]

Originally Posted by Kamikaze

Somebody call 911 we need .....

X10,000

[CBR]

Somebody show the newbs a picture of a 2.2 moa (clod) from 2004 or 2005, since they think this is a new thing. ? It is pretty easy for me to figure out. Bergs did not make the best drivers, most of the best drivers bought Bergs. I think if you don't like the rules here, start your own organization and make your own rules.

[666]

IMO the best drivers are still shafty.

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And I mean .

[CBR]

I agree Patrick, I haven't made the change yet, but I will soon. Not because MOA's have special powers, but just for the simplicity of electro dig, and lower cog.

[pvtjrt01550]

I think it's interesting that one of the points brought up was that moa axles are not scale. Lets face it, r/c crawling for competiton is evolving and the true comp crawlers are taking advantage of the unique physics of a 1/10th vehicle. Proportinally the r/c crawlers are far more capable than their 1:1 cousins. Like all other forms of competitive r/c, crawling is evolving into it's own form not merely imitating whats happening in the 1:1 world and I say great!!