Something to think about

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Good God, man...why are all you GOP monkeys so butt hurt over Obama? Did ya get all riled up watching Faux news again?

??there is alot of truth to what he said

"buy whatever you want and someone else pays for it"
Usually there must be a little truth for something to be funny.

The truth is that Obama wants to "redistribute the wealth"
You dont have to be a republican to figure that out.
You just have to open your eyes.
If soneone disagrees with Obama you assume they are a GOP suporter?
Look at his approval rating amungst independants....and democrates.
he is failing across the board.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by rock hard

??there is alot of truth to what he said

"buy whatever you want and someone else pays for it"
Usually there must be a little truth for something to be funny.

The truth is that Obama wants to "redistribute the wealth"
You dont have to be a republican to figure that out.
You just have to open your eyes.
If soneone disagrees with Obama you assume they are a GOP suporter?
Look at his approval rating amungst independants....and democrates.
he is failing across the board.

No, I got the jokes. The pic Ricky put up was pretty funny actually. The McD's joke, not so much.

I don't agree with everything Obama is doing either, but its not hard to pick out those that are on the right because they're always spouting the same shit. Its old. Its tiring.

The wealth should be redistributed. The top 1% wealthiest people in this country hold a disproportionate amount of the money. The middle class is dwindling, the lower class is struggling. The economy sucks because people aren't buying anything because they don't have either the money or the credit. Letting billionaires and corporations keep their trillions in profits each year isn't helping anybody. The trickle down theory is a giant Ponzi scheme. Keep them from going overseas, make them hire American workers, and tax the bastards.

You want the economy back up and running, give the power to the people who buy shit, not to those who make the shit to buy. With demand will come supply, and with that, jobs for those that need them.

[stubs179]

Originally Posted by ROCKEDUP RICKY

I think America is way to comfortable to do anything. There are not even close to enough people that are willing to miss the amount of work it would take to march around to make a difference. I think we are going the way of the Roman Empire.

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

No, I got the jokes. The pic Ricky put up was pretty funny actually. The McD's joke, not so much.

I don't agree with everything Obama is doing either, but its not hard to pick out those that are on the right because they're always spouting the same shit. Its old. Its tiring.

The wealth should be redistributed. The top 1% wealthiest people in this country hold a disproportionate amount of the money. The middle class is dwindling, the lower class is struggling. The economy sucks because people aren't buying anything because they don't have either the money or the credit. Letting billionaires and corporations keep their trillions in profits each year isn't helping anybody. The trickle down theory is a giant Ponzi scheme. Keep them from going overseas, make them hire American workers, and tax the bastards.

You want the economy back up and running, give the power to the people who buy shit, not to those who make the shit to buy. With demand will come supply, and with that, jobs for those that need them.

Well we will have to disagree on that one,the rich pay a higher % of taxes.

The rich are the ones who provide jobs for the middle and lower class.
The rich also have the most % of disposable income,which is the driver of many buisnesses that employ aswell.
I think the best way to boost the economy is to make it easier for thise with the disposable income to put it to work.

That employes more people and gets them off welfare/unemployment,ect.
Redistrubution is nothing more than theft IMO
or legal extorsion.

And just why is it unfair in your opinion for those who made the right choiced
to be able to "hold" thier proffits?

Our economy grows when those people make that money "work" for them
which puts us all to work.
Give it all away to the poor,and the money will be spent,not put others to work.

By principle alon,its thier money.
If a person has alot of land,would you think its ok to take that land by force to "redistribut" to the poor?

[rock hard]

Top 1% Pay More Income Tax Than Bottom 90%

The Tax Foundation has published Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data:

New data released by the IRS today offers interesting insights into the distributional spread of the federal income tax burden, new analysis by the Tax Foundation shows. The new data shows that the top-earning 25% of taxpayers (AGI over $62,06 earned 67.5% of the nation's income, but they paid more than four out of every five dollars collected by the federal income tax (86%). The top 1% of taxpayers (AGI over $364,657) earned approximately 21.2% of the nation's income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 39.4% of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1% of tax returns paid about the same amount of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95% of tax returns.

[freetimecrawler]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

No, I got the jokes. The pic Ricky put up was pretty funny actually. The McD's joke, not so much.

I don't agree with everything Obama is doing either, but its not hard to pick out those that are on the right because they're always spouting the same shit. Its old. Its tiring.

The wealth should be redistributed. The top 1% wealthiest people in this country hold a disproportionate amount of the money. The middle class is dwindling, the lower class is struggling. The economy sucks because people aren't buying anything because they don't have either the money or the credit. Letting billionaires and corporations keep their trillions in profits each year isn't helping anybody. The trickle down theory is a giant Ponzi scheme. Keep them from going overseas, make them hire American workers, and tax the bastards.

You want the economy back up and running, give the power to the people who buy shit, not to those who make the shit to buy. With demand will come supply, and with that, jobs for those that need them.

Get used to it, we've had to listen to the left, ripping Bush a new one for Eight years

This my friends, is the epitome of the thinking of the democratic/socialist party today
You've worked too hard, made the right choices in life, or just been fortunate. You should be forced to pay for those who've made crappy choices, or are less fortunate.
I think, I'll stick by my sig line.

[Bukwylde]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

No, I got the jokes. The pic Ricky put up was pretty funny actually. The McD's joke, not so much.

I don't agree with everything Obama is doing either, but its not hard to pick out those that are on the right because they're always spouting the same shit. Its old. Its tiring.

The wealth should be redistributed. The top 1% wealthiest people in this country hold a disproportionate amount of the money. The middle class is dwindling, the lower class is struggling. The economy sucks because people aren't buying anything because they don't have either the money or the credit. Letting billionaires and corporations keep their trillions in profits each year isn't helping anybody. The trickle down theory is a giant Ponzi scheme. Keep them from going overseas, make them hire American workers, and tax the bastards.

You want the economy back up and running, give the power to the people who buy shit, not to those who make the shit to buy. With demand will come supply, and with that, jobs for those that need them.

I don't understand how working class americans can still support the GOP with their fiscal policies and scare tactics. Since the republican god (who learned politics by working with a monkey) Ronnie Reagan, the rate of the divide between the rich and the poor has grown exponetially. A 2006 U.N. study on "quality of life" places the U.S. 8th in the world! The idea of trickle down economics clearly works in one direction... up.
The newest news to sicken me is that the new gop house wants to cut funding for OSha by nearly 40 % in the next 2 years. http://www.ishn.com/Articles/Latest_...00000000997743 But I'm sure this is REALLY in favor of the working man ... I'm no bleading heart, I'm a former Marine who believes in the death penalty, right to bare arms, drug testing welfare recipients, and working HARD for what I have. But when the cost of living has gone up by almost 250% in 30 years, working class salaries have remained stagnant, but Ferrari America had a record breaking sales year in 2010, I see a problem with this piucture.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by rock hard

Well we will have to disagree on that one,the rich pay a higher % of taxes.

The rich are the ones who provide jobs for the middle and lower class.
The rich also have the most % of disposable income,which is the driver of many buisnesses that employ aswell.
I think the best way to boost the economy is to make it easier for thise with the disposable income to put it to work.

Of course the rich provide jobs. How many poor people do you know with multi billion dollar companies?

The rich do have a higher disposable income, but a lot of people with less money will spread it further and wider.

Giving the corporations money to expand their businesses and make jobs in kind of putting the cart before the horse. Trust me, those people have plenty of money to grow. What they lack is a demand for their goods/services. Giving them money will not magically create a demand.

The basic and natural theory behind capitalism is that the strong will survive. If you have a good product, people will buy it, you will make money, you stay in business, and you will succeed in the business world. Your success depends on the demand for what you provide. Today, that demand has been replaced by payoffs, handouts, shady backhanded deals and flat out corruption. Yesterdays bottomfeeders are todays survivors. I do not want any of my tax dollars going to them.

Originally Posted by rock hard

That employes more people and gets them off welfare/unemployment,ect.
Redistrubution is nothing more than theft IMO
or legal extorsion.

Redistribution is a resetting of the system. Eventually more and more money is going to find its way to the top. These big corporations are no more likely to want to pay their workers more money than they are to pay more taxes. Its all about their shareholders and their bottom line.

Originally Posted by rock hard

And just why is it unfair in your opinion for those who made the right choiced
to be able to "hold" thier proffits?

I do congratulate those who have made it to the top. At the same time I question their ethics. Some got there honestly, some did not.

I should also point out that when I refer to "the rich", I'm not talking about anyone that you or I personally know. I'm talking about the uber rich. People who can buy and sell millions of dollars a day and not break a sweat.

Originally Posted by rock hard

Our economy grows when those people make that money "work" for them
which puts us all to work.
Give it all away to the poor,and the money will be spent,not put others to work.

Yes, the poor will spend money. They will buy things. They will give it to banks and mortgage lenders and car companies and health insurance companies and all kinds of corporations that are too numerous to list. That, in turn, will create demand for products and services. And that will create the need for jobs.

Originally Posted by rock hard

By principle alon,its thier money.
If a person has alot of land,would you think its ok to take that land by force to "redistribut" to the poor?

If that land owner has taken it all for himself while everyone else around him is falling to ruins, yes.

It used to be that you could only "own" land that you were able to physically work yourself. This gave everyone a shot at being a land owner and being self sufficient. Not so much anymore.

[ThinkTank]

Originally Posted by rock_hard

The new data shows that the top-earning 25% of taxpayers (AGI over $62,06 earned 67.5% of the nation's income, but they paid more than four out of every five dollars collected by the federal income tax (86%).

The top 1% of taxpayers (AGI over $364,657) earned approximately 21.2% of the nation's income (as defined by AGI), yet paid 39.4% of all federal income taxes. That means the top 1% of tax returns paid about the same amount of federal individual income taxes as the bottom 95% of tax returns.

Wait a minute...

So the majority pays 86% of federal income tax and accounts for 67% of wealth....... but the 1% which bring in 21.2% pays 39% of taxes?

Those poor poor people..
Individual they might pay more taxes, but they're filthy stinking RICH individually. Collectively they pay less.

Edit: $350,000+ is middle class these days. The 1% is 100+ billionaires to trillionaires.

[Bukwylde]

Originally Posted by rock hard

By principle alon,its thier money.
If a person has alot of land,would you think its ok to take that land by force to "redistribut" to the poor?

Our Government has done this also. Except for the rich (again). Here in connecticut homes were taken and people forcibly moved so a PRIVATE contracter could come in and develope the water front land. (Kelo v. City of New London) A Business winning over the little people AGAIN. I understand that we live in a capitalist society I just think it's gotten out of hand.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by freetimecrawler

Get used to it, we've had to listen to the left, ripping Bush a new one for Eight years

I remember way back when, W did something stupid and his acceptance was way way down, Limbaugh said something like "he is our president, whether we like him or not, as Americans we should stand and support him".

Now? The right has done everything but publicly call Obama a niger. So much for standing and supporting our president as Americans.

Originally Posted by Bukwylde

I don't understand how working class americans can still support the GOP with their fiscal policies and scare tactics. Since the republican god (who learned politics by working with a monkey) Ronnie Reagan, the rate of the divide between the rich and the poor has grown exponetially. A 2006 U.N. study on "quality of life" places the U.S. 8th in the world! The idea of trickle down economics clearly works in one direction... up.
The newest news to sicken me is that the new gop house wants to cut funding for OSha by nearly 40 % in the next 2 years. http://www.ishn.com/Articles/Latest_...00000000997743 But I'm sure this is REALLY in favor of the working man ... I'm no bleading heart, I'm a former Marine who believes in the death penalty, right to bare arms, drug testing welfare recipients, and working HARD for what I have. But when the cost of living has gone up by almost 250% in 30 years, working class salaries have remained stagnant, but Ferrari America had a record breaking sales year in 2010, I see a problem with this piucture.

RR messed a lot of stuff up, and opened up a few doors to put us in the spot we're in now. Why the GOP revers him like they do, I'll never know. Hell, he didn't even stand for half the stuff they're demanding today.

Hard working people still fall in line with the GOP because, as you said, of scare tactics. Also, church. Believe me when I say that there is a lot of money and influence in Christianity that preaches the gospel of the Republicans. They know how to get people to do things without questions. You question them, you're questioning God and Country, all at once.

[slobin3d]

You know what would be fun?

Lets say they make it illegal for companies to withhold your taxes from your check, so you had to write the check at the end of the year.....Then lets say that with your tax payment they give you a receipt with a nice little graph that explains where every penny you just paid went.....


I'm guessing within a week some things would change

[ThinkTank]

I see Duuuuuuuude has started blaming Jesus for bad government, only took 31 posts this time.

Originally Posted by Bukwylde

Our Government has done this also. Except for the rich (again). Here in connecticut homes were taken and people forcibly moved so a PRIVATE contracter could come in and develope the water front land. (Kelo v. City of New London) A Business winning over the little people AGAIN. I understand that we live in a capitalist society I just think it's gotten out of hand.

Imminent Domain is the term.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Why the GOP revers him like they do, I'll never know. Hell, he didn't even stand for half the stuff they're demanding today.

Interesting question. I've been wondering the same.

[slobin3d]

Originally Posted by ThinkTank

Interesting question. I've been wondering the same.

the GOP has been trying to emulate the Left mostly the clinton model to increase it's popularity with the center left. Unfortunately that stance has weaken'd it's base and done nothing to improve it's #'s with the center left. Thats why there's such a push for the TeaPartys. The trickle down theory worked, the Clinton taxes, regulations and mandating the idea that everyone should own a house whether they can afford it or not has gotten us where we are today. Clinton rode the Reagan economic Boom and brought it to a screeching halt.

People Stopped buying things because they spent more then they could afford, not because some rich Fawk is hording all the cash. Until people feel that the economy (govt) is stable and there not going to throw some random thing at them (like socialized healthcare) they aren't going to spend a bunch of money if there's no reasonable chance to recover their investment and grow.

Hell I'm afraid to buy a house right now, prices are great, but honestly I have no Idea what the future holds and at the Moment I'm not comfortable in making the gamble, I'm pretty sure thats the common consensus.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by slobin3d

You know what would be fun?

Lets say they make it illegal for companies to withhold your taxes from your check, so you had to write the check at the end of the year.....Then lets say that with your tax payment they give you a receipt with a nice little graph that explains where every penny you just paid went.....


I'm guessing within a week some things would change

Hell yeah, give everyone an itemized bill at the end of the year.

Originally Posted by ThinkTank

I see Duuuuuuuude has started blaming Jesus for bad government, only took 31 posts this time.

I'm not blaming Jesus. See "With God on Our Side: George W Bush and the Rise of the Religious Right in America". In it you'll find Evangelical heavy hitter Jerry Fallwell discussing how and why he created the Moral Majority, and how this countries Christian leaders have done all they can to sway the vote. Reagan probably wouldn't have been voted in if it weren't for them.

"Get them saved, get them baptized, get them registered to vote!"

Originally Posted by ThinkTank

Imminent Domain is the term.

How often do you see imminent domain used to build a shopping mall in upscale neighborhoods?

Originally Posted by slobin3d

People Stopped buying things because they spent more then they could afford, not because some rich Fawk is hording all the cash. Until people feel that the economy (govt) is stable and there not going to throw some random thing at them (like socialized healthcare) they aren't going to spend a bunch of money if there's no reasonable chance to recover their investment and grow.

True, people got it in their heads that they have to buy shit they don't need. Thats painfully obvious for a lot of them. They also go suckered into bad home loans. Not all of them, but enough. I personally know a few that I consider to be of above average intelligence that got caught up in that mess.

But still, now that everyone is recovering from being broke or bankrupt, where is all that money? Who benefited from all that? Follow the money...see where it went, where its at, and what its doing.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

They also go suckered into bad home loans.

Their stupidity is not an excuse for a bad home loan. No one was forcing them to sign those papers. Not everyone can afford to purchase a home...no matter how bad you want it. However, I will agree....banks are pushing their product hard. Each time I bought a home, based on my credit alone, I was offered more than DOUBLE what I was asking. In one instance, I had to tell the guy that if he didn't back off, I was going elsewhere. People need to learn to live within their means....you cant push the blame away for that.

[Mr.Slave]

when I pay taxes it is a significant amount off my cheques every 2 weeks, what with all the bills ever increasing price of food and gas to pay for, I notice it big time.

when some billionaire pays taxes up there in his billionaire mansion with his billionaire bentley and billionaire ivory back scratchers

he still has billions of dollars.
somehow i don tthink he's going to sweat that much about it.

[nuckle]

If we continue to outsource all of our jobs nothing is going to change. If nothing is american made then what are we going to do to support ourselves. We are becoming the new mexico and quality is going to crap. Politics are ruining the country, meanwhile mexicans, chinese and middle eastern are seeing the money america used to have

[GRIMGREG]

Originally Posted by Mr.Slave

when I pay taxes it is a significant amount off my cheques every 2 weeks, what with all the bills ever increasing price of food and gas to pay for, I notice it big time.

when some billionaire pays taxes up there in his billionaire mansion with his billionaire bentley and billionaire ivory back scratchers

he still has billions of dollars.
somehow i don tthink he's going to sweat that much about it.

So you can just take from him since he figured out how to make billions and you didn't? Then you're no better than a back alley mugger.

[RANOVRU]

Duuude you should know better. You know will get nowhere.

People that have been smitten by the dollar are unsusceptible to ration and more importantly care not about others.