Good Ol' Discussion

[RANOVRU]

E you gotta stop falling into things. You're going to hurt yourself one of these days.

Was Natty the cause for this or is it the remedy?

[Rolin Roc]

[QUOTE=EeePee;5329726]Speaking of not working... Dislocating your thumb (and jamming it back in yourself) hurts like hell.

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Gripping Big Macs in your younger days have caused dislocated thumbs it's a proven fact there has been studies about this .

[EeePee]

Natty has been my only pain relief. I don't like drugs. Fell off the bike. Hard.

Thankfully I can still grip my Big Macs with the other hand. I'm not defeated yet.

It's funny how ambidextrous I found myself to be. And then limited. Simple things, like pulling up my pants. Or putting on socks. Or hitting the space bar. Or holding a glass. It's been four weeks. I think I might have tore something off but it all still works.

[Rolin Roc]

Yes you adapt overcome & succeed time heals

[RANOVRU]

So you took it off a sweet jump?

[EeePee]

Found a parking block in a dark parking lot. It was awesome.

Nor makes any sense. It's been filed under, shit happens.

[RANOVRU]

Well as long as you can still hold a Big Mac all is well.

[wings_of_fire]

Originally Posted by EeePee

Speaking of not working... Dislocating your thumb (and jamming it back in yourself) hurts like hell.

Wow!..Your tissues Hope you recover soon.

3 weeks ago on a sunday, I fractured my left hand middle finger and a left rib (falling on a stone). Me and my buddy had a practice fight (realistic) on a very steep rocky surface. He is a well trained guy in martal arts and he specialises in win chun. I specialise in street fighting and Taekwondo (long time ago). We had two rounds and I lost both. He caught my finger in the first 5 sec and twisted it in order to control me, but it did not affect my agressive move. He was good with balancing his weight on that surface at the same time directing my hits away and getting a soft spot. I had a hard time balancing myself in the rocks. His right hand wrist fractured and lips split. He said if this fight was between real enemies and I had fallen, I would have been a mess. Usually once a guy falls, there are kicks straight to the face breaking jaw, teeth and knockout.

Fights of anykind bring nothing but distruction and loss for both sides. In the adrenaline rush of the moment little did anyone of us realise the consiquences. A good learning experience with a steep price paid.

Sadly my finger is going to take a year to recover. I learnt the swelling is usually permanent. I had no idea how sensitive and complex finger injuries are I am typing like a woodpecker. Will upload xray tomorrow.

[jetboat]

Just remembered why I hate flying as i watched the lights of my multirotor fade into the distance.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by RANOVRU

It's actually a perfectly REALISTIC view of min wage jobs. The entitlement mindset is what's going to send this country down the tube.

The whole country is based on capitalism and that doesn't mean thinking sweeping floors is going to get you ahead in life. Just because that's the only effort some people are willing to put forth in life doesn't mean they should get special attention.


If only we could all win the lottery then no one would complain...

Not everyone is in the position to obtain gainful employment. For some people, shitty, minimum wage jobs are all that is within their grasp. And sometimes, shitty, minimum wage jobs are all that is available.

It used to be that those crappy jobs were stepping stones, but that isn't always the case anymore. Shit happens, and people are forced into working for way less than they need.

And it's not about entitlement, its about making enough to live on while working a full time job. Budget out everything you need in your life to live and work, and see how far todays minimum wage takes you.

I would also compare wages to company profits. The largest civilian employer in the US is Walmart. They make obscene amounts of money, yet pay poorly and exploit every loophole they can to not pay a penny more per hour than they have to. That isn't lazy, entitled workers, that is greedy, money hungry corporate ownership, and they aren't alone.

[The Violator]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Not everyone is in the position to obtain gainful employment. For some people, shitty, minimum wage jobs are all that is within their grasp. And sometimes, shitty, minimum wage jobs are all that is available.

It used to be that those crappy jobs were stepping stones, but that isn't always the case anymore. Shit happens, and people are forced into working for way less than they need.

And it's not about entitlement, its about making enough to live on while working a full time job. Budget out everything you need in your life to live and work, and see how far todays minimum wage takes you.

I would also compare wages to company profits. The largest civilian employer in the US is Walmart. They make obscene amounts of money, yet pay poorly and exploit every loophole they can to not pay a penny more per hour than they have to. That isn't lazy, entitled workers, that is greedy, money hungry corporate ownership, and they aren't alone.

Company profits are for the shareholder. Walmart profit margins hovers around 3%. They just happen to move Billions of dollars, all while suffering through the highest corporate tax in the civilized world.


Yet Liberal Progressives swing from the testicles of all things Apple, and they extract much more profit from its customers. Around 25%.

I wonder how many of the children Apple has in its factories get paid $15 an hour.

[RANOVRU]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Not everyone is in the position to obtain gainful employment. For some people, shitty, minimum wage jobs are all that is within their grasp. And sometimes, shitty, minimum wage jobs are all that is available.

It used to be that those crappy jobs were stepping stones, but that isn't always the case anymore. Shit happens, and people are forced into working for way less than they need.

And it's not about entitlement, its about making enough to live on while working a full time job. Budget out everything you need in your life to live and work, and see how far todays minimum wage takes you.

I would also compare wages to company profits. The largest civilian employer in the US is Walmart. They make obscene amounts of money, yet pay poorly and exploit every loophole they can to not pay a penny more per hour than they have to. That isn't lazy, entitled workers, that is greedy, money hungry corporate ownership, and they aren't alone.

It IS an entitlement mindset and they are STILL stepping stone jobs. Explain how "that's all some people are capable of". What people are capable of is only determined by the effort they are willing to put forth. There are numerous people out there (some who have even posted on here) that talk about working 1-2 MW jobs and eating Ramen while learning a skill set that will allow them to make more money. Giving people who are lazy $30k a year isn't doing anyone any good.

As far as large companies who make obscene profits there's a million other more important reasons why that's happening other than them only willing to pay MW. No one's forcing the employee's to work there.


Around here a skilled tradesman makes $15-20/hr, something that takes several years to learn and requires more than being able to check the fries when the ding'er goes off. There's absolutely no comparison in skill sets between a fast food worker and a tradesman, so tell me why they should make the same money.


Lifestyle choices and effort are the problem, period. This country is sinking deeper and deeper into a welfare state of mind.

[johnnyh66]

Originally Posted by RANOVRU

Around here a skilled tradesman makes $15-20/hr, something that takes several years to learn and requires more than being able to check the fries when the ding'er goes off. There's absolutely no comparison in skill sets between a fast food worker and a tradesman, so tell me why they should make the same money.

They shouldn't IMO.
But it sounds like your area's skilled tradesmen are getting the shaft... they deserve more pay too... but instead of fighting for that, you'd rather keep everyone down?

[RANOVRU]

Originally Posted by johnnyh66

They shouldn't IMO.
But it sounds like your area's skilled tradesmen are getting the shaft... they deserve more pay too... but instead of fighting for that, you'd rather keep everyone down?

No it's more about demographics and cost of living. I would expect someone in NYC working at MD's to make $15/hr but this push to make it federal/national is ridiculous.

MW here is $7 and some change. They'd be making double if the 'fight for 15' idiots got their way. For this local that's unacceptable.

[EeePee]

Ding, fries are done!

Isn't minimum wage like 8.50 now?

[RANOVRU]

Last I checked it was still seven and change here but I might be a little off.

Of course it varies state to state, as it should.

[EeePee]

My mistake. I meant 7.50.

And I looked. It's 7.25 federally.

[RANOVRU]

Sounds about right.

However states can make it whatever they want so long as is it isn't less.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Walmart has an obscene amount of employees on welfare, far more than anyone else. They do that via low wages and less than full time work schedules. Last I checked, all of the Waltons were in the top 10 of the Fortune 500.

I totally agree that minimum wage should be based on regional or even local cost of living.

What would hold a person to a shitty job? Lots of things. Victim of Circumstance. Disability. Crappy education. Stupid mistakes when they were young that they can't go back and change even though they are now a much wiser adult. The inability to afford higher education (or the unwillingness to risk going $40k in the hole on the off chance that they can gain better employment with that higher education). A really shitty job market with very few opportunities for advancement. Job markets based on seasons. The shame spiral and loss of self worth that comes with being abjectly poor. Lack of available transportation to reach the good jobs. Etc, etc.

Some people just have it tough. A fair percentage of those people fight hard to change that, but not everyone succeeds. Yes, there are opportunities abound here in the US, and everyone theoretically has the equal opportunity to make themselves into something great, but in practice it doesn't always work out that way, and simply working hard isn't enough any more.

Just from personal experience, finding a job with solid advancement opportunities is rarely easy. Even then, that growth usually comes with minimal increases in pay and large increases in responsibilities, so much so that it isn't worth the trouble.

[wings_of_fire]

I took a hospital trip to mend a fjew broken bones

This was a week after breaking. I thought the injury was just a simple swelling and sought medical help only after a week.

My finger was buddy strapped and 1.5 week in, while working with a machine, oil spil on the straps. I removed those straps and used crape bandage as a temporary fix until my appointment. When I went to my doc today, he was shocked. He again took an x ray and the bone moved a bit. He cant do anything, but used a splint to lock my whole hand. Even more mess and now I am going to have a bit of bent finger for life. (tableflip)