06-04-2020, 06:13 PM | #61 | |
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06-04-2020, 06:18 PM | #62 | |
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06-04-2020, 06:24 PM | #63 | |
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There also is a debate to be had about whether or not more cops is the answer. As security continues to improve with modern technology there are studies that show crime still drops even though there are less police https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/2818056002 “Data shows that the raw numbers of police have declined over the past five years, and the rate of police officers per 1,000 residents has been dropping for two decades. At the same time, the violent crime rate has also dropped.” Of course there’s also studies that show more police on the ground reduces crime as well, again. It’s a debate to be had. But I don’t subscribe to the notion that more police = more safety. An 8% budget decrease can be handled in several ways but ultimately they’ll need to find ways to operate more efficiently and cut excess expenses. Cutting the budget doesn’t mean there has to be less cops in neighborhoods that benefit from the presence, but it does mean that priorities need to be adjusted. Further, cutting the budget by $100 million would just keep them near where their budget was for 2019-2020. It’s not like they’ll lay off 10% of the force. There won’t be raises and bonuses but I don’t think many places in the world are seeing raises and bonuses this year. | |
06-04-2020, 07:28 PM | #64 | |
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Logic? So in this situation you feel that you would rather not be armed because the intruder "probably" is better armed? Just WoW! No firearms for Australia works for Australia. Does not mean it will work for the United States. This country was founded by men who fought against a government that was over reaching. This is why the 2nd amendment was the right to keep and bear arms. The entire reason for this was to ensure the government would not over reach. You can say that in the world today you don't have to worry about that. I am glad some are confident, I'll keep my rights, as I would rather not be the guy saying "damn, I should have studied my history". | |
06-04-2020, 07:55 PM | #65 | ||
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I guess you guys in the US should just keep doing what you've always done. At the moment you're sure showing the rest of the world how well it's all working for you..... | ||
06-04-2020, 08:10 PM | #66 | |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: North Idaho
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1. I live in a town were crime is low 2. I live in a state were crime is low 3. I have a good alarm system 4. The exterior of my house is lit very well 5. My doors and windows all get locked 6. I have a 120lbs dog 7. If the all of that does not turn away a home invader, as a last resort, I have a gun for every season When I went to sea a lot I showed my wife, a certified bunny-hugger, how to use the shotgun. She stated emphatically that she would not shoot anyone. I told her, if she used it right, she likely would not have to. I told her that if she thought someone was breaking into the house, the first thing to do was to call the police, then go get the shot gun (more protests). All she had to do is rack it near the window of where the would-be invader was, and that the sound of the shotgun racking was universal, and if the person was not on drugs, they would leave. Then I told her, if the invader was on drugs, she would likely have to shoot him. | |
06-04-2020, 08:10 PM | #67 | |
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Give me a logical reason that the "style" of a weapon should be removed? We are talking about how the firearm looks. It operates the same way a semi automatic hunting rifle does. The issue is not the style of weapon, the issue for some states is lax laws, other states it is poor enforcement, and it is also due to people that are not all there to begin with. Here in Chicago Illinois they had put in place a law to ban all hand guns. Since it has been challenged and relaxed. The point is however that while hand guns were banned there were many murders using hand guns..... How is this possible when there is a law banning them? Yes again if a criminal can get their hands on a gun I would rather be armed myself if my life is put in danger. I guess in your world we should ban alcohol too as there are too many drunk driving deaths around the world, way more than any gun violence. Better yet we should ban automobiles too. Take those two things away and we would save so many lives!!!!!! Last edited by $uicide $hift; 06-04-2020 at 08:21 PM. | |
06-04-2020, 08:36 PM | #68 | ||
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To prove percentages make things very messy and often very misleading, look at this little graphic. Does this mean black cops commit more racial crimes than white cops? Obviously, it doesn't necessarily mean that. Source: https://www.citylab.com/equity/2020/...h-data/605866/ All of the police crimes you mentioned are horrible. But this happens to all races. And, as I said before, just because a police officer kills somebody of the opposite race doesn't mean race was the cause. To your earlier point, we need to focus on POLICE BRUTALITY, period. If this is turned into a race war, which has already started, then nobody remains focused on the issue at hand. Violent crime has been trending downwards for a long time. The rates have dropped substantially over the years - long before security cameras were a common item. Security cameras have been proven to be a deterrent, but they didn't start the downward trend in violence. Does this mean we will eventually not need police at all? The answer should be an obvious and resounding "no". https://www.statista.com/statistics/...sa-since-1990/ Cutting the police budget may sound like a great idea to some thinking with their hearts, but it makes no sense to me. Each year operating expenses increase and cops have more citizens to protect. There are better places to start with budget cuts. The pensions of government officials and police would be a great start. The Mayor of LA is an idiot cutting the police budget. It's not like his city is small or lacking in crime. And to state he's going to redirect those funds to "communities of color" is racist or at least discrimination. It's no better than segregation, but it's tax segregation if there's a term for that. Sure, give more tax money to minority programs, but then in turn give white people bigger tax breaks. It's only fair, right since we are being excluded from tax money. It'll never happen though. I'm pretty sure people wouldn't think the latter part is acceptable. This is beyond lunacy. The double standard and the hypocrisy is absolutely disgusting. The government isn't operating with equality. I can 100% agree with that. We are fighting discrimination against minorities, but simultaneously discrimination against white people and it's becoming acceptable. Every white person should be alarmed by this. Quote:
1. Civilian AR-15's are not military grade assault rifles. Stop watching the liberal media and get educated. 2. Yes, the US has proven to the world it's the best country in the world. This little bump in the road happens in all countries. Europe was plagued with riots for a while. Even your country has race issues and riots or did you conveniently forget that? See source 1. Also, when shit hits the fan in our cities, we have the right to defend ourselves with guns. You do NOT have the right to own a gun for self defense in Australia. See source 2. Source 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial...e_in_Australia Source 2: https://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/#...rt2/div2/sec12 Last edited by JatoTheRipper; 06-04-2020 at 08:39 PM. | ||
06-04-2020, 08:52 PM | #69 |
I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin Texas
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So this is jacked up (violence in link): https://mobile.twitter.com/davidbegn...355810818?s=21 The worst part is when one of the cops obviously wants to help and his buddy is like ‘nah we gotta keep up the whole tough guy charade’. |
06-04-2020, 08:56 PM | #70 | |
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06-04-2020, 11:37 PM | #71 | ||
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06-05-2020, 09:16 AM | #72 |
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06-05-2020, 10:10 AM | #73 | |
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Every person that is confronted with logic and facts does not at least reply with logic and facts which support their view. Generally they start with a veiled jab in the form of a question, they see a reply which provides a different view, with examples, and direct questions to understand the viewpoint. The OP will not answer the questions or provide logic to their viewpoint or provide examples. They either move on to another post to shoot another veiled jab or reply to the questions with another question formulated as a jab. All I can say is if you live in your country and you are happy that is awesome. You won't see me looking up news about your country and then see me crapping all over it. Why? A. I am not insecure about myself where I need to crap on others. B. I don't give a rats ass about other countries. I care about the one I live in as it directly affects me. | |
06-05-2020, 10:38 AM | #74 | |
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don't you dare use sound logic - then what will the media outlets use to get everybody all riled up and outraged. | |
06-05-2020, 11:54 AM | #75 |
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06-05-2020, 04:27 PM | #76 |
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Here in Atlanta our governor has balls, National guard taking care of business Well Done ATLANTA |
06-05-2020, 05:33 PM | #77 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Casper
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| Re: Riots/Looting, peaceful protests in your area? https://www.facebook.com/wally.scham...31790390251743 Two minor incidents and some traffic issues but we don't tolerate things like riots and what-not. These guys watched and protected a peaceful demonstration, then kept some stragglers from doing anything unlawful after a group formed when the official protest ended and the person in charge told their supporters to go home. Last edited by KJ10; 06-05-2020 at 05:42 PM. |
06-06-2020, 01:38 AM | #78 | ||
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How about all those other people getting unjustly killed? Just the other day in Vallejo Cali, a 22 year old man, Sean Monterrosa, was fatally shot by the police. They responded to a possible looting call at Walgreens. When they showed up, Sean went to his knees & put his hands up. The cop shot him & didn’t even bother getting out of his car. Thought he had a gun in his pocket...it was a hammer. Oh, he wasn’t black though, so who cares, right? I have a few more if you’d like to them? And I’m sure I can search up & fond even more. Oops, I totally forget to address the topic. A little light rioting happened here. A fair bit of spray painting on downtown buildings. I drove around a bit on the first morning. Didn’t see any broken windows where I looked. I did learn a new acronym though-ACAB “all cops are bastards.” I saw that about 7 times throughout the block or so that I drove. A few “f*ck 12” and one “good cop= dead cop.” I was very saddened to see even that. People care so little about where they live. There was more spray painting & some broken windows in following nights, but still it’s calmed down the last night or two. Last edited by NoobCrawler; 06-06-2020 at 01:57 AM. | ||
06-06-2020, 03:07 AM | #79 | ||
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I am from Germany. I don`t think our gun laws (or other european gun laws) would work for the United States. Different history, different situation. In european media, the US is always taken as a bad example to argue for more restrictive gun laws over here. In fact, every gun incident (whether in the US or in Europe) is used to call for more restriktive gun laws over here. Needless to say, more restriktive gun laws cannot reduce the number of gun involved homicides anymore (statistically), because the percentage of legal guns used in such incidents is at minimum. Our gun laws are ok, enforcing them would be more effective and would save more lives. As said before: criminals could care less. | ||
06-07-2020, 03:17 AM | #80 |
Rock Crawler Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Danish badlands
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Got bad in Mexico pretty fast after a similar cop issue. I dont think any US cops have been set on fire just yet. |
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