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08-21-2007, 01:24 PM
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There has been talk about this locally too. I think it's a good idea and should help welcome new people to crawling. I don't have much experience with spec style racing but I'll chime in with my .02. I think the rules need to be basic and to the point. Like batteries. one battery pack should be named. As soon as you start drifting from using stock factory components then you're veering away from spec class. The more things "allowed" the more time you'll have involved with checking every truck before competing right? These trucks can still be used in normal 2.2 classes. It's not like they are banned only to the spec class if they do start one. |
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08-21-2007, 01:30 PM
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08-21-2007, 01:56 PM
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08-21-2007, 02:09 PM
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Get rid of the super class?  Why does that sound so absurd to me?  Let's not forget where we started... our ROOTS.  The Clod has been around longer than some of the people on this board, and back when... it's all there was to even use... we'd spend $100's of dollars on these things and still do. If you want a spec class then make one... but don't cut off our fore fathers it would be a real shame. Let's not forget where this all started... I'm sure some of you remember when all we had was RCMT.net to go to even talk about crawling. We've come along ways in the last two years... let's not forget where we've been. just my $.02 WaWa |
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08-21-2007, 02:10 PM
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| Quarry Creeper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pleasant Grove
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Sounds cool to me, except for the battery thing. Either everyone should run the same battery, or you should be able to put it where you want it. Also, on the top is horrible. Maybe mandate that it is place elsewhere, so the performance is ruined. |
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08-21-2007, 02:21 PM
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| Im Brandon Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Colfax, CA
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 And where did I say its not competitive? Having a spec class is more for fun than anything, and having a box stock comp rig is a great platform to start such a class with. Whats wrong with that??
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08-21-2007, 02:21 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Whales
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Oh I love this.....Same response we got when we first anounced that the Super class was now called the Squat To Pee class. It's truely a dead class for us in Utah but I'm sure it's still big in other states. The biggest thing with a spec class is to open it up to new drivers and to drive another great rig. For those of you who don't want to run the class, you have that option. It's one of those great freedoms we have. I agree that it's fun to see all the different rigs out there and to see how everyone furthers the sport by coming up with crazy ideas like Creapy Foam, Delrin this and that, and chassis's that are shaped like birds and sticks. However not everyone has the budget of a NazT or the brilliant tooling and mechanical skills of an Ace or Griz. So with that said the Axial lends itself well to this spec application, but not solely to only this application. For those who think it's dumb or pigeonholing the Axial as a "Spec" only rig....Please pay more attention to the idea of the Spec class. It's not to replace the 2.2 class or to "Keep out" the Axial. There more than welcome to compete in the 2.2 class and to be modified in any way shape or form. This class would be in addition too the existing 2.2 class. Just another class to take advantage of this new "In the Box" crawlers potential. Last edited by kaetwo; 08-21-2007 at 02:28 PM. |
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08-21-2007, 02:43 PM
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sounds cool, but if someone is accussed of wheel weights, are you gonna make them dismantle there beadlocks right there on the course before they run? that was the only problem that came to mind. |
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08-21-2007, 02:45 PM
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How would you do courses would the "Spec Class" run the same courses? If they did It would give some a superior advantage do to the fact that they had ran the course once already. We have a hard enough time getting everyone through the courses already with near 50 entries. I welcome more people to come compete, but if you have another class then you'll have people who will run both classes just to get the extra drive time in. We already had this problem last year with people running their 2.2's in the super class. Once again I think the AX10 is a great kit and I think it could be very competitive. I would love to see some new guys show up to our comps with their AX10, but I don't see the need for a spec class. I think 2.2 is spec enough. |
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08-21-2007, 03:06 PM
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As for being able to run my Axial in the 2.2 class...I know I can...and I will. I'd rather place midpack in the 2.2 class vs. Naz-T's badass tuber and Special Ed's Goat than dominate a "spec" class with my well set-up Scorpion. That said...if I were just getting into it and building the rig on the cheap, I'd rather get dead last competing against Mike and Special than place in the top five in a "spec" class against other cheap asses. I know it costs a little money to win. You're not going to do very well w/ a 1500 stick pack, a Futaba 3003, and an Intellispeed ESC. If you want to build your rig on the cheap to get it running, that's fine...you're welcome to do that. You're welcome to come compete and see why we suggested better stuff. If you couldn't afford it, maybe you will be able to in the future...it's something to aspire to. Why buy something with as much potential as the Scorpion and then leave it half-assed because it's good enough to win the "spec" class? That's exactly what having a spec class like this is going to encourage...which I don't believe is going to be good for anyone. If you're not serious enough into it to spend the bit of extra money it take to make a better rig, you're probably not going to be too upset that you didn't place well at a comp. You probably came to the comp to have fun and meet people...not to have fun, meet people, AND win. Those people are welcome to come to our comps...but I don't see why they need their own class. | |
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08-21-2007, 03:18 PM
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08-21-2007, 03:34 PM
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| Matt, Great idea for everyone else in the country besides the Utards You need more people showing up like you need a hole in the head I think new starter type clubs (12 or less) would eat this up. Quote:
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08-21-2007, 03:46 PM
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I don't think this is a bad idea for some clubs. If you only had 15 people show up to comps regularly why not run another class? For those clubs I'd say "Sure, why not". But I don't think that UTRCRC needs another class. It takes all day to run the comps as is. Adding another class will make it take that much longer. If UTRCRC wanted to run a Spec Class the only way I could see it working is if you were allowed to register for 1 class and 1 class only. But then I don't know to many of the guys that would sign up for it period. Making it pointless. | |
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08-21-2007, 04:01 PM
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| I wanna be Dave  Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Happiness is a warm AK.
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We struggle to field a super class at most of the CMRCRC comps as well, yet the 2.2 class is thriving. We have discussed starting a spec class w/ the Scorpion as the base. It is a complete comp ready rig conveniently packaged in one box. As a spec class rig, it allows everyone to compete on a more equal level. For n00bs, it offers a first step into the sport and a chance to learn how to tune and drive a crawler and be not intimidated by all of the rigs that have been built, tested, modded, and tuned to gain maximum performance. As they feel more confident or comfortable, they already have the rig necessary to move to the 2.2 class after a few simple mods. For the more experienced guys, it's an opportunity to show their driving mastery w/ a rig that is nearly identical to those it is competing against. This removes the question of the rigs playing a role in the victory. Personally, I think it will be a fun class!  |
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08-21-2007, 04:11 PM
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Yeah i dont think that the word "cheap" is the idea. Its more of lets see who can pull of the win with everyone using basically the same setup. More of a "fun" class. The time issue is a big deal. Maybe hold 2.2's first. Then after thats all done, whip out the ax-10s and throw down a little comp to see who can win. I say good idea brett and matt Just as Brett(kaetwo) said, Its not about having the nicest rig or who spends the most money, its about who can drive their stock rig the best and push it beyond its limits. The ax10 is a pretty cabable rig box stock, its not like we are driving nylints. I think that it would be fun and very competitive. And matt isnt saying to ban the ax-10 from the 2.2 class. Sure you can build a bad a$$ rig with your axial and run it in the 2.2 class, or have a stock ax-10 and run it in the 2.2 class. This is just an alternative that would be more fun running your stock ax10 vs other stock ax10s Great Example- It's like in motocross at the amateur nationals. Theres usually a 250 Pro/Sport, 250 Modified, and a 250 Stock. The stock class isnt a beginner/cheap/crappy class. Its one of the most competitive classes there is because it really shows the factory support and sponsors there how good of a rider you actually are. Last edited by dirk379; 08-21-2007 at 04:21 PM. | |
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08-21-2007, 04:18 PM
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I'm wondering though...... would it include any new, complete RTR crawler that came about in the future? Or would it only be limited to one box stock production crawler? | |
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08-21-2007, 04:24 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: san jose
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this tread keeps going ok where can you these crawler from.
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08-21-2007, 04:27 PM
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08-21-2007, 04:35 PM
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I think it'd be fair to place restrictions on motor - 55 turn only, battery voltage (maybe even limit it to one specific sport pack), battery location (could the battery be mounted UNDER the top plate? Regardless, absolutely NO axle mounting of batteries!), and limiting the class to a certain price range, or maybe even specific servos. It goes without saying that the chassis, tires, wheels, etc... should remain bone stock. I think this spec class is an EXCELLENT idea. It'll provide a level playing field with regards to equipment, and good driving and luck will be rewarded. The Scorpion seems to be a very capable crawler out of the box - I suppose if you disagree with the rules, don't run. Enter a comp 2.2 class and modify to your heart's content. |
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08-21-2007, 04:37 PM
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| I wanna be Dave Join Date: May 2006 Location: akron
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we have been talking about this for a while and working on our own rules for it. i dont really like the big battery up top idea. but think a mini t oack would make a great spec class battery for these. i like the price cap rule and if the novak falls out of the rules o well.\ I am all for diffrent bodys. this is would be a good drivers class. and fun and should eliminate the money game. if another manufacture comes out with a crawler kit then we could start specing tires and batts and run diffrent platforms maybe just make a spec 2.2 class and allow any platform limit batt motor and tire. |
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