Kamikaze practicing. NO need to debate about the rules here guys.

[jcnalley]

9 seconds before the end of the video...Jeff's rear axle is above the centerline of the gate marker. How would that not be a gate penalty?


BTW Jeff, that is a nice display of driving.

[dkingston]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Its not a straddle!

Jeff (RockCrawler) according to Rule:

7.3.2 - If a wheel touches any object outside of a gate as the other wheel from the same axel passes
through a gate it is considered a straddle, a Gate Marker penalty is assessed.

A straddle only has to be 1 tire on the inside. In the video the a tire was never between the gate markers when his truck was over the gatemarker.

There is no mention of centerline of axles, breaking of vertical plane or any other wording. The rule was thoroughly discussed in RULES Committee, and the definition is quite clear

Here is your answer!


- David

[rockbound]

Nice driving jeff. i was considering trying that right before i ran the course on sat. i was even talking with someone else about it.

the 3 reasons why i didn't try it were;

1. i wasn't sure if i had the time to mess around with only 5 min

2. if i slid off the rock or rolled while trying it i wasn't sure how to get back to that spot. i wanted the repo to be beyond that gate not back at the one before it

3. and the biggest reason is my rear and front axles don't lock when i am in dig, so i was affraid to slide off the rock when i was digging.

you made that look easy!! like you said though too bad it wasn't on sat!

[airtoy]

Originally Posted by Kamikaze

It my have, but all 4 tires went through in the intended direction, the straddle rule is for when less than 4 tires go though the gate.

false antime the axle breaks the plane of the gate it is 10 points no matter the direction.

[Kamikaze]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Its not a straddle!

Jeff (RockCrawler) according to Rule:

7.3.2 - If a wheel touches any object outside of a gate as the other wheel from the same axle passes
through a gate it is considered a straddle, a Gate Marker penalty is assessed.

A straddle only has to be 1 tire on the inside. In the video the a tire was never between the gate markers when his truck was over the gatemarker.

There is no mention of centerline of axles, breaking of vertical plane or any other wording. The rule was thoroughly discussed in RULES Committee, and the definition is quite clear

This is what the head of rules comity sayes.............

[rockbound]

Originally Posted by airtoy

false antime the axle breaks the plane of the gate it is 10 points no matter the direction.

only if you axle breaks the plane and continues in that direction. what he did was perfectly legal. he did not straddle the gate. his truck never hit the gate and all 4 tires went through the gate in the intended direction.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by airtoy

antime the axle breaks the plane of the gate it is 10 points no matter the direction.

FALSE

Rule 7.3.2 - If a wheel touches any object outside of a gate as the other wheel from the same axel passes through a gate it is considered a straddle, a Gate Marker penalty is assessed.

Please find an actual Rule that supports your statement

http://www.usrcca.com/rules2008.pdf

[rockbound]

the real question here is....how many times did you try that before you made it clean?

how many vids were "lost" lol

if you nailed it the first time trying it you are the man!!

[Kamikaze]

Well if you don't count the time I didn't do it in the comp I got it on the 1st try, then did it again on video. The second time was faster though.

[rockbound]

Originally Posted by Kamikaze

Well if you don't count the time I didn't do it in the comp I got it on the 1st try, then did it again on video. The second time was faster though.

Nice!

[SVEN]

The gate was cleared, but who cares it didn't count for anything. Rear dig can be a tool to throw in the tool box.

[tat2INDY]

anyone figure out the electrical malfunction on jeffs rig ?

[EeePee]

Yeah he did. But I'll let him tell ya.

Okay, I will. Motor spring.

[tat2INDY]

was it from the motor he was smoking on purpose fri nite?

[roborg5000]

Originally Posted by tat2INDY

was it from the motor he was smoking on purpose fri nite?

HEHEHEH! Wasnt someone else's foot on that truck

[Kamikaze]

The spring just popped off......nothing to do with intentionally stalling a motor till it smokes.......at least I don't think.......John??????

Oh yeah,

[carbonuts]

OK OK

I was the judge on this course.
All of the judging calls for this course fell on me, had Jeff done this on saturday in the comp I would have called it as a gate.

I had made the comment to the crowd around this course numerous times through out the day, that if you straddle a gate (tire on each side no matter what side) and the closest part of the axle breaks the plane of that gate marker then it will be marked as a gate penalty. I made that call early on because of the same question on gate 2.

This is the way TSC does it, and will continue to do it.

Jeff that was definately some nice driving and definately a nice line for gate 7.

Fish, did you ever get a answer on the other grey area call that was made?

[Kamikaze]

Well, have I made it to rules committee again yet????

[TwistedCreations]

Originally Posted by carbonuts

OK OK

I was the judge on this course.
All of the judging calls for this course fell on me, had Jeff done this on saturday in the comp I would have called it as a gate.

As would any of the other judges. If you pause at exactly 9 seconds in that vid (furthest point where the truck backs up and turns left) you will see both wheels cleared the gate, at the same time the axle is over the marker. No matter if it is forwards or sideways.. TSC will always call that a gate penalty, no matter how a gate gets straddled..

awesome driving none the less, as always Jeff

[run2jeepn]

Good thinking.. That way of thinking is what wins comps a lot of the time. To bad you didn't think of it the first time...