6sharky9
RCC Addict
I fixed my bump steer problem by not creating a problem to give me bump steer in the first place..lol..CMS is a whack mod in my opinion but to eaches own.
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Steering Improvements
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Johnnysplits
I wanna be Dave
I wouldn't exactly call it whack...it does look better than having a servo on the axle. The only downside is some servo torque that's lost due to the linkage angles.
Trail Blazer
Pebble Pounder
Dude that's awesome lol
Trail Blazer
Pebble Pounder
Meatwad
I wanna be Dave
To each his own indeed. Some don't like the look of a mini fridge laying down on their front axle "thumbsup"
Postclanker
I wanna be Dave
Whacked cms here.....:roll:
Looks like an XR mod along with that CMS....awesome....
Nice looking rig too...."thumbsup"
6sharky9
RCC Addict
As I typed ,it was my opinion.
Your steering is not due to your CMS..you spent a lot of money on even more mods (some custom) to make that happen so, don't let it lead people into thinking they will get anywhere near that amount of steering from a CMS kit or even need that much steering for that matter.
I agree CMS is "cool" for scale looks but has no real performance gains and creates a problem you don't have to begin with...if you want a frankenstien front end to make it work so it can look somewhat scale then to eaches own.
Cons of CMS
1.) Raises center of gravity in the front.
2.) Creates a problem called bump steer that becomes more evident.
3.) You pay to have this problem none the less
4.) You need frankenstien changes to try and get rid of "some" of the bump steer..
Pros of CMS.
1.) Can help eliminate a "snow plow" effect in a dedicated mud rig or driving in the snow.
2.) If you don't want a water proof servo, it will raise it higher to allow for deeper water before getting submerged.
3.) It looks more scale
4.) Can cool factor be considered a pro?
I chose the cons to decide not to use a CMS but ,im not everyone so, its a to eaches own decision.
Its all about fun though..8)
As far as more steering..unless you run very difficult gates in a competition who needs all that steering anyway?
I haven't done any xr mod to get more steering...I cant turn anymore before my tires hit the frame with small 1.9 tires none the less and did it with a simple screw change , some simple grinding and a cheap set of universal axles...and use a servo with less than 200 oz in. of tq. with no problem what so ever with burning up servos...If I tried 2.2 tires the tires would rub the frame on the inside backs of the tires at full turn...the 1.9s barely clear already.
Again..to eaches own on an XR mods or magical mods to fill a need for competitions.
Your steering is not due to your CMS..you spent a lot of money on even more mods (some custom) to make that happen so, don't let it lead people into thinking they will get anywhere near that amount of steering from a CMS kit or even need that much steering for that matter.
I agree CMS is "cool" for scale looks but has no real performance gains and creates a problem you don't have to begin with...if you want a frankenstien front end to make it work so it can look somewhat scale then to eaches own.
Cons of CMS
1.) Raises center of gravity in the front.
2.) Creates a problem called bump steer that becomes more evident.
3.) You pay to have this problem none the less
4.) You need frankenstien changes to try and get rid of "some" of the bump steer..
Pros of CMS.
1.) Can help eliminate a "snow plow" effect in a dedicated mud rig or driving in the snow.
2.) If you don't want a water proof servo, it will raise it higher to allow for deeper water before getting submerged.
3.) It looks more scale
4.) Can cool factor be considered a pro?
I chose the cons to decide not to use a CMS but ,im not everyone so, its a to eaches own decision.
Its all about fun though..8)
As far as more steering..unless you run very difficult gates in a competition who needs all that steering anyway?
I haven't done any xr mod to get more steering...I cant turn anymore before my tires hit the frame with small 1.9 tires none the less and did it with a simple screw change , some simple grinding and a cheap set of universal axles...and use a servo with less than 200 oz in. of tq. with no problem what so ever with burning up servos...If I tried 2.2 tires the tires would rub the frame on the inside backs of the tires at full turn...the 1.9s barely clear already.
Again..to eaches own on an XR mods or magical mods to fill a need for competitions.
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Sharks you only speaking half truths.....
CMS does not create bump steer when done correctly. Never followed your builds not am I standing beside your rigs.
But a little bit of reading or even better, more tinkering and less typing might get ya further.
More steering isn't just for the comp heads or the mod pros. It's for the guys that like to play with toy trucks. Or the guys that always want to make things the beat they can.
For whatever reason.
CMS does not create bump steer when done correctly. Never followed your builds not am I standing beside your rigs.
But a little bit of reading or even better, more tinkering and less typing might get ya further.
More steering isn't just for the comp heads or the mod pros. It's for the guys that like to play with toy trucks. Or the guys that always want to make things the beat they can.
For whatever reason.
jdmguy760
Rock Crawler
Every rig I've owned has had 3 link cms panhard set up yes if not done correct you will have bumpsteer but if done right you have just as much steering as a axle mounted one I enjoy cms for the main reason no matter what vehicle you have if its a solid axle is set up similar to cms just my 2 cents
6sharky9
RCC Addict
Is there one complete "bolt-on" kit better than another that wont give you the bump steer?..What are the common mistakes people are doing wrong that they bolt it on and end up with a problem?
I can agree its not for just comps and some may just want it.
My rig is nothing special...just more of an old school approach with some modern day technology.
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6sharky9
RCC Addict
So, instructions come with the kits and most just aren't following them?
I haven't done any xr mod to get more steering...I cant turn anymore before my tires hit the frame with small 1.9 tires none the less and did it with a simple screw change , some simple grinding and a cheap set of universal axles...and use a servo with less than 200 oz in. of tq. with no problem what so ever with burning up servos...If I tried 2.2 tires the tires would rub the frame on the inside backs of the tires at full turn...the 1.9s barely clear already.
Again..to eaches own on an XR mods or magical mods to fill a need for competitions.
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So instead of just throwing around your opinions about something you haven't even tried.. and that wasn't even brought up until page 7 or so.
Why don't you actually answer the OP's initial question.. and tell him how you modded your steering.. and what cvds your using and how well they are holding up?.. you did read the rest of the thread right?
Also.. you missed in the Pros - SORRCA scale points -5 for CMS. "thumbsup"
Again..to eaches own on an XR mods or magical mods to fill a need for competitions.
So instead of just throwing around your opinions about something you haven't even tried.. and that wasn't even brought up until page 7 or so.
Why don't you actually answer the OP's initial question.. and tell him how you modded your steering.. and what cvds your using and how well they are holding up?.. you did read the rest of the thread right?
Also.. you missed in the Pros - SORRCA scale points -5 for CMS. "thumbsup"
TacoCrawler
I wanna be Dave
CMS syndrome ^ Lol
my AMS mini fridge
occasionally it peeks out and gives 'dem CMS junkie's a shudder. Lol
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lol, so guys... if i wanted to 'convert' my 4 link back to 3 link, but still keep my actual links, is there a sort of 'y shaped' rod end? and if i was going to put 3 link back, what pan hard would you suggest? (and 4 and 3 link both get the same flex right?), also, will 3 link give more space between tire and shock when one side of the axle is flexed?
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Hard to say since we haven't determined why you're having a problem with the space between the tire and the shock. I have 4 link with CMS and don't have the problem you're describing at all .
well i didn't notice it before, but it might have been there anyway. ill give my best go at explaining it, when sitting stationary on a flat surface, there is maybe 3/4 to 1 inch of space, between the shocks and tires, for more steering. however when one side flexes (so the axle is at an angle, one wheel on the ground, the other at full flex) and the wheel at full flex, has no gap anymore...
You know the old saying right? A picture is worth a thousand words???? I cant figure out what you could possible be experiencing.. unless you mean the top of your tire is nearly touching your shock?
