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[themountain]

Originally Posted by bbrigg

Really? This coming from a pseudo-intellectual like you?

Oh thanks...from you I take that as a compliment

[bbrigg]

Originally Posted by themountain

Oh thanks...from you I take that as a compliment

Enjoy it to the full since it's probably the only kind of compliment you get. Have you ever thought about researching a subject before making a really pathetic comment? Didn't think so.

[Greatscott]

Don't know why, but I like this...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/25/us/be...rnd/index.html

[themountain]

Originally Posted by bbrigg

Enjoy it to the full since it's probably the only kind of compliment you get. Have you ever thought about researching a subject before making a really pathetic comment? Didn't think so.

You are the best

[tjohanne]

Originally Posted by bbrigg

Modern liberals would be more accurately called ignorant leftists. I say ignorant because most of those who are self-described as "liberal" these days are utterly ignorant of the actual meaning of the word they denigrate by their use of it.

It's difficult for us Europeans to discuss your 'liberals', because we don't seem to have that bunch here. What exactly do they stand for?
Like in Russia and parts of Europe, eastwards, many people are positive to some sort of socialism, but there is much racism and some places being gay can easily get you killed. So there is socialism, traditionalism and nationalism mixed together.
A US liberal/socialist would have been thrown in jail and tortured in former communist Czechoslovakia.

btw, I think any westerner, US or Euro, would long for anything liberal after having been in Russia.

My point is, in Europe liberals and socialists can easily be opposites. And conservatism means money rule.

I find the CZ Republic interesting. They are extremely liberal with prostitution and drugs (it's EVERYwhere). They're slightly racist, they hate Islam. They have absolutely no regard for religion. They think their Polish Catholic neighbours are brainwashed. They think Germans are nazis.
They hate socialism because of history and Russian abuse, and they hate liberal capitalism for corruption.
They just want to enjoy their beer and be left alone.

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[bbrigg]

Originally Posted by tjohanne

It's difficult for us Europeans to discuss your 'liberals', because we don't seem to have that bunch here. What exactly do they stand for?
Like in Russia and parts of Europe, eastwards, many people are positive to some sort of socialism, but there is much racism and some places being gay can easily get you killed. So there is socialism, traditionalism and nationalism mixed together.
A US liberal/socialist would have been thrown in jail and tortured in former communist Czechoslovakia.

btw, I think any westerner, US or Euro, would long for anything liberal after having been in Russia.

My point is, in Europe liberals and socialists can easily be opposites. And conservatism means money rule.

I find the CZ Republic interesting. They are extremely liberal with prostitution and drugs (it's EVERYwhere). They're slightly racist, they hate Islam. They have absolutely no regard for religion. They think their Polish Catholic neighbours are brainwashed. They think Germans are nazis.
They hate socialism because of history and Russian abuse, and they hate liberal capitalism for corruption.
They just want to enjoy their beer and be left alone.

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That's exactly why free market economies can truly only flourish where the rule of law exists. Corruption leads to kleptocracies which, in many ways, resemble feudalism.

[JatoTheRipper]

Originally Posted by NoobCrawler

Since being in an RC slump for some time, threads like this are what keep me coming back. I love these threads, for the reason you said, seeing the other side(and sometimes sides) of things. It sucks some of the more vocal members aren’t around anymore, or don’t get involved. I always enjoyed their crews even if I didn’t agree.

Also, it’s always interesting to see outsiders views. It has me curious just where are they getting their info & in what way is it presented...

I'm glad you take time to see the other side and that you have the ability to see the other side. Some people just can't or won't give opposing points a thought for some very odd reason.

In bold, that's the problem with people. So many take the first "news" story they see, hear or read as 100% facts. And they typically remain faithful to one, biased source. I'd argue there's no unbiased source out there. But some are obviously way more biased and full of BS than others.

I know nothing about Brexit. I wouldn't trust the US media to give me the real story. I'm not sure why foreigners think they understand this country or the citizens just by watching the TV or visiting here.

Originally Posted by Greatscott

Don't know why, but I like this...

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/25/us/be...rnd/index.html

Betty is awesome and I hope she makes it well into 100 years old. I liked Golden Girls when I was a kid and I like it as an adult. Is it just me? Not many TV shows stand the test of time for me.

[themountain]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

I know nothing about Brexit. I wouldn't trust the US media to give me the real story. I'm not sure why foreigners think they understand this country or the citizens just by watching the TV or visiting here.

Because foreigners might not use only one source of information

[tuxstang]

You always have a better overall view of a crowd from a distant point-of-view than when you're inside.

[themountain]

Originally Posted by tuxstang

You always have a better overall view of a crowd from a distant point-of-view than when you're inside.

...that remark is gold !

[JatoTheRipper]

Originally Posted by tuxstang

You always have a better overall view of a crowd from a distant point-of-view than when you're inside.

A better "view" maybe, but surely not better insight into the group.

[iplaywithrocks]

I personally never argue with people over opinions or there point of view . Because mine is always right so why bother . ( kidding kinda sorta )

What’s the label for someone who thinks the solution is always smack dab in the middle? I’m probably that guy.

One thing I always notice tho is people argue to be right but never argue to be happy . Supporting facts are stupid if you don’t offer any solutions . Those are typically found somewhere in the middle.

[NoobCrawler]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

I'm glad you take time to see the other side and that you have the ability to see the other side. Some people just can't or won't give opposing points a thought for some very odd reason.

In bold, that's the problem with people. So many take the first "news" story they see, hear or read as 100% facts. And they typically remain faithful to one, biased source. I'd argue there's no unbiased source out there. But some are obviously way more biased and full of BS than others.

I know nothing about Brexit. I wouldn't trust the US media to give me the real story. I'm not sure why foreigners think they understand this country or the citizens just by watching the TV or visiting here.


Betty is awesome and I hope she makes it well into 100 years old. I liked Golden Girls when I was a kid and I like it as an adult. Is it just me? Not many TV shows stand the test of time for me.

There’s literally no harm in listening to the other side. It’ll basically do one of two things, make you question your views & tweak them or it’ll strengthen those views.

I do get a kick out of comments on CNN or MSNBC of people blasting Fox News as some kind of cult. Like either of those aren’t just as bias.

As for Golden Girls, I too watched it as a kid. Haven’t revisited as an adult though.

[Greatscott]

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[bbrigg]

Originally Posted by iplaywithrocks

I personally never argue with people over opinions or there point of view . Because mine is always right so why bother . ( kidding kinda sorta )



What’s the label for someone who thinks the solution is always smack dab in the middle? I’m probably that guy.



One thing I always notice tho is people argue to be right but never argue to be happy . Supporting facts are stupid if you don’t offer any solutions . Those are typically found somewhere in the middle.

I never make any pretence at being in the middle ground. The middle ground is for the wishy-washy who haven't looked at both sides clearly and in an unbiased manner to see which is correct and sustainable in practice. Having spent 40 years working in 92 countries I have seen, at first hand, the fruit of many different ideologies as well as having had the opportunity of discussing issues with those who live with said results.

The political left in the US have a very poor view of the country which has nurtured them and provided freedom to so many. They love to denigrate the founding fathers and imbue them with "outdated" attitudes, the sort of attitudes that many of them show an eagerness to either fail to perceive or simply forgive in their current elites, and then they use their views on those attitudes to attempt to invalidate all of the founders' views. For proof of this try espousing a positive view of Robert E. Lee today and see how different the reaction is to praising someone like Margaret Sanger or Robert Byrd. That's why we have Trump excoriated for saying "You can grab them by the *****, they let you do it, if you're a star.", a statement that actually says far more about many women than it does about Trump. At the same time Teddy Kennedy, the man responsible for making the term "waitress sandwich" a part of our lexicon, was lionized because his political views matched those of the mainstream media, then Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger's mention of "human weeds", referring to blacks, is almost unknown and the fact that Robert Byrd, a lifelong Democrat, who managed to rise to the rank of "Grand Kleagle" in the KKK was eulogised by the press as a great man by the same press that painted the quite centrist George W. Bush as being either the reincarnation of Hitler or a chimpanzee.

There is a very good reason why the US is the most diverse melting pot in the world and that reason is that so many want to be part of the USA. Research shows that the average "poor" person in the USA has a lifestyle equivalent to the average upper middle class in the EU countries and would be considered rich in many other countries.

I have no problem with people who criticize our past or even our current values as long as they can back up that criticism with something more than feelings. Those who come to America, then try to turn it into the same sort of $hithole that they ran away from, should simply be returned to their original countries where they can reflect on the error of their ways. The fact that so many on the left would disagree with this as being a cruel punishment shows that they are perfectly aware of the existence of countries deserving the epithet of "$hithole", even though they derided Trump for using that very apt term.

[themountain]

Originally Posted by bbrigg

... Having spent 40 years working in 92 countries I have seen, at first hand, the fruit of many different ideologies as well as having had the opportunity of discussing issues with those who live with said results....

...and never learned a single thing...congrats

[bbrigg]

I learned enough to put a pretentious little Euro-punk like you in your place. Is your memory that short that you don't recall our discussion about the origins of Fascism?

I would have thought that coming from the land of Franco would be enough that you would have a modicum of knowledge.

To paraphrase the greatest American president "The problem with you is not so much that you don't know anything, it's that you know so much that isn't so."

[themountain]

Citing Ronald Reagan in the wrong way....thats how its done !
You´re the man !!
You should stick with a quote of a truly great US citizen :"On the whole, sir, I can not help expressing a wish that every member of the convention who may still have objections to it, would, with me, on this occasion, doubt a little of his own infallibility.

[JatoTheRipper]

Originally Posted by NoobCrawler

There’s literally no harm in listening to the other side. It’ll basically do one of two things, make you question your views & tweak them or it’ll strengthen those views.

I do get a kick out of comments on CNN or MSNBC of people blasting Fox News as some kind of cult. Like either of those aren’t just as bias.

As for Golden Girls, I too watched it as a kid. Haven’t revisited as an adult though.

I think that's why people are afraid to look at things from the other side. They just might be wrong. Oh no! People hate to be wrong and lots can't even admit when they are wrong. It's very odd.

Yes, I agree. Both sides are so biased. I don't see how CNN or Fox have fans. That just goes to show you that some people refuse to look at things from the other side.

Then there's the two party team sport of politics. Trump is getting blasted for things for which Obama was praised. It happens with every President from the opposing political team (party). It's lunacy.

[iplaywithrocks]

Bbrigg I prefer the middle cause that’s where the solutions typically are . I like solutions cause I have goals and goals quickly become dreams without solutions.

I can tell by the novels you write on the internet your super smart and stuff . Remove the emotion and user names and read back. It’s people like you that create the need to have solutions .

I could use huge words to explain it but often people argue (with facts) to say they are right and someone else is wrong . But without a solution( found in the middle) no one will be satisfied . This thread is full of criticism but no solutions in all these arguments .

I also am super worldly and full of all kinds of Super worldly wisdom from all the super worldly EXP gained from all the super worldly adventures and honestly all my success in life came from the middle ground. I let others argue about the high ground and focused on the results .