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[sally1800]

P.s. Rule Nazi's will ruin everything, grass isn't always greener.

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[AJ.]

I agree BH.

Like Tim said earlier, "It's just not worth the arguing." If the committee defines and changes this rule in 2016 for the Minority that don't seem to understand the "SPIRIT OF SCALE", the sally's will start pounding their chests saying we're NAZI'S.

[johnnyh66]

Sally quit though, he put all his rigs up for sale... hmmm, Sally sells sleepers by the sea shore.

[Serrated13]

Rally quick. If I wanted to run my Pretty much stock Wraith Spawn I would run it in Class 2?

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by badhoopty

not flaming you because im quoting you, im just responding to the idea of the rules not being worded perfectly so its ok.

a dingo body has a 3d interior by the definition of the rules. iirc theres nothing in the rules saying the floor has to be a certain depth or has to extend under the dash for leg room, or the seats have to be real seats, or the dash and steering wheel have to be seperate. i could draw a floor, a seat, a dash, and a steering wheel in 3d perspective on a sheet of paper and argue that it fits within the wording of the rules, and i would hope i got shot down at tech and called out for not having scale spirit.

i could also just cut a hole for the driver and passenger and stick the drivers through the holes and get full driver and passenger points. that would be lame, i'd never do it, but nothing in the rules says i cant.

does it smell like scale spirit? if yes then points, if not then sorry try harder, drive better, and take the points for a 2d.

No way in hell this is 3D.

[Big Daddy]

Originally Posted by Serrated13

Rally quick. If I wanted to run my Pretty much stock Wraith Spawn I would run it in Class 2?

No. Class 3- tires too tall and no rail chassis.

[GiJoe]

Originally Posted by War Pig

No way in hell this is 3D.

Exactly!

If this is 3D, what do we count as 2D?

Tech table guys need to know!

[Crawl Space]

Originally Posted by GiJoe

Exactly!

If this is 3D, what do we count as 2D?

Tech table guys need to know!

There is clearly no distinction between the seat bottom (there is none) and the floor. If there were a seat bottom, in addition to the backing, that was raised above the floor (without that weird non-scale looking rectangular relief I think?) and a steering wheel I believe it would count as a 3d interior. However, even with those changes, the floor should not be sitting flush with the top door hinge lol. Just my 2c

[winnerone23]

I see this "spirit of scale" and "corner cutting" being thrown around..
I'm reading guys with full interiors, complain about the PL-C interior..

Personally, when I started, this is why I became a Comp guy..

Over the last couple years, I have done alot to my C2. Putting the PL-C interior in, Was in the "spirit of scale".. Cause I really couldn't care less about scale points, I just want to be part of the fun, of playing with toy trucks!

Now, right now actually, I'm working on a interior cage for scale points..



I have the drivers, from the knee up, plus many other points..
I feel it's a work in progress. Not a corner cutter.
Just cause we all don't start at full interior's, doesn't mean we won't get there.
Should we be penalized cause we can't or just don't care to, have a full interior or want to spend the money?

It meets the rules! Why's it still being talked about?

With all that said.. I'm waiting for a NO11 XJ hard body, at which time I'll probably do a full interior from a NB jk or something. Work in progress!

I have a TF2 that's full blown interior..

And my C3, I just got a exo interior, in the "spirit of scale".. It's for looks, that's spirit!

Again, I just want to play with you trucks! Let your driving do the talking.

[Crank]

Ok, enough about interiors, lets talk about knuckle weights again.

[winnerone23]

Originally Posted by Crank

Ok, enough about interiors, lets talk about knuckle weights again.

I'm mad!
My Dlux knuckles wouldn't fit my wheels at the axle width I wanted!
I don't have VP/shift hub mounting wheels, so it's a no go that way too.. :/

I guess I'll have to mod some brass, so it just rides loosely on my wheels built in offset.

That legal? Or does it have to be fixed to my wheel to be wheel weight...

[RcBro]

Originally Posted by winnerone23

I'm mad!
My Dlux knuckles wouldn't fit my wheels at the axle width I wanted!
I don't have VP/shift hub mounting wheels, so it's a no go that way too.. :/

I guess I'll have to mod some brass, so it just rides loosely on my wheels built in offset.

That legal? Or does it have to be fixed to my wheel to be wheel weight...

depends on if you make it scale looking or not

[winnerone23]

I don't think it would be seen.. I have gold wheels..

Just what I have now.


Looks like a "disc brake" from both sides.. Or if it was painted gold, it wouldn't even be seen/noticed.


I've also thought about the vaterra weights.. They look pretty cool when painted.

[War Pig]

I refuse to talk about interiors or knuckle weights anymore. Everyone knows where we stand on both.

Any other topics or questions?

[GiJoe]

Originally Posted by War Pig

Any other topics or questions?

There's always the Ascender battery tray!

I'm joking! I'm joking!

[hotwheels000]

Like I said before, take the scale points out of the equation.

1) Model masters and extreme builders can build and compete in concours and driving

2) Driver/coarse compitition oriented folks can compete on the coarse.

3) The largest group of folks, just want to play with their toys with "like" trucks

Media, both audio and video can choose what vehicles and drivers they shoot and interview.

Win\Win for everybody as long as all understand we each enjoy it a bit differently...., few can, will or have the desire to cover all 3 of the "types" mentioned .

IMO the ruless only came about when it was decided all 3 types of folks needed to be catered to under 1 rule set. And that is where the problems start and will never end until the demise of the genre.


SIMPLE REALY !!!!!!!!, and simlpe works when it comes to having fun

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by hotwheels000

Like I said before, take the scale points out of the equation.

1) Model masters and extreme builders can build and compete in concours and driving

2) Driver/coarse compitition oriented folks can compete on the coarse.

3) The largest group of folks, just want to play with their toys with "like" trucks

Media, both audio and video can choose what vehicles and drivers they shoot and interview.

Win\Win for everybody as long as all understand we each enjoy it a bit differently...., few can, will or have the desire to cover all 3 of the "types" mentioned .

IMO the ruless only came about when it was decided all 3 types of folks needed to be catered to under 1 rule set. And that is where the problems start and will never end until the demise of the genre.


SIMPLE REALY !!!!!!!!, and simlpe works when it comes to having fun

Sorry Devlin, I think you're crazy. Everyone one would build lexan bodied comp rigs. Talk about the demise of the genre.

[Crank]

Originally Posted by War Pig

I refuse to talk about interiors or knuckle weights anymore. Everyone knows where we stand on both.

Any other topics or questions?

How about interior knuckles?

[hotwheels000]

Originally Posted by War Pig

Sorry Devlin, I think you're crazy. Everyone one would build lexan bodied comp rigs. Talk about the demise of the genre.

Whats wrong with that ?

Let me answer, NOTHING.

Just like there is nothing wrong with a full blown model at the car show.

The problem is trying to make both parties happy under the same roof.

All I know is since I have stepped down from being a SORRCA committee member and one of the original founders..... I am not so invested and have been able to see and hear without blinders on so to speak. The re-occuring sound is, to many rules.....lots of confusion as to what those rules mean ( even the committee members sometimes cant agree on what the rules mean when answering questions in this thread)

This isnt bagging on you guys, you all know that, as I am freinds with most of you. Just expressing what I hear and see now that I have no skin in the game.

Creating more rules isnt the answer to grow the sport, that much I do know. The rules grew when really minimal trucks kicked arse back in 08 or 09. The detailed trucks couldnt compete with that, so rules were made. Eventually SORRCA was formed, more rules and definitions followed.

And here we are today, still not ideal in a lot of peoples eyes. Just like 7 years ago .

Whats next ? Just throwing out ideas

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by hotwheels000

"Everyone one would build lexan bodied comp rigs."

Whats wrong with that ?

Let me answer, NOTHING. I'd have to disagree, building a detailed "dream rig" is part of the fun. Getting scale points for making it look real is the reward.

Just like there is nothing wrong with a full blown model at the car show.

The problem is trying to make both parties happy under the same roof. I think we have reached a pretty good balance.

All I know is since I have stepped down from being a SORRCA committee member and one of the original founders..... I am not so invested and have been able to see and hear without blinders on so to speak. The re-occuring sound is, to many rules.....lots of confusion as to what those rules mean ( even the committee members sometimes cant agree on what the rules mean when answering questions in this thread) Lots of gray area in scale, but you knew that.

This isnt bagging on you guys, you all know that, as I am freinds with most of you. Just expressing what I hear and see now that I have no skin in the game.

Creating more rules isnt the answer to grow the sport, that much I do know. "Perfecting" (ha ha) the current rules is reasonable, not necessarily adding more.
The rules grew when really minimal trucks kicked arse back in 08 or 09. The detailed trucks couldnt compete with that, so rules were made. Eventually SORRCA was formed, more rules and definitions followed. And I believe we have reached a good balance between performance and scale appearance.

And here we are today, still not ideal in a lot of peoples eyes. Just like 7 years ago. Actually I think most would agree that the scale points equalize things a lot better than than if we didn't have any. You remember the Utah guys coming to Montana with 6 point scale lexan bodied scale rigs and cleaning house. Now it's pretty much anyones game, the scale points allow that. Without scale points, things would just revert back to comp rigs in 2006. Fun for a year or two and then the building part gets lost and people move on to something else.

Whats next ? Just throwing out ideas

There are so many options now with SORRCA, G6, U4, etc that you can find something that excites you. SORRCA if you like to build and drive 10 gate courses, G6 if you're more into the trail run/run whatcha brung, U4 if you like speed. I actually like all forms and try to participate in as many as I can. One thing I do know, it's a great time to be into scale RC.