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Harley · 10-30-2011, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrimJeeper91

Anyone know the voltage the stock electronics delivers to the steering servo?

When using a 2s lipo or 6 cell Nimh the voltage is probably near 6v. When you go to 3s lipo the voltage to the servo will drop significantly.

madkawi650 · 10-31-2011, 06:40 PM

Harley, I'm not doubting that you are correct, but why would servo voltage be less if running 3s? Just wondering .. I'm trying to absorb all the info I can.
Thanks

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Harley · 10-31-2011, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madkawi650

Harley, I'm not doubting that you are correct, but why would servo voltage be less if running 3s? Just wondering .. I'm trying to absorb all the info I can.
Thanks

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Honestly I am only vaguely familiar with how the internal circuit works. As the voltage goes up the power output from the internal BEC goes down. Maybe I can get Holmes to expand on it.

skid · 11-01-2011, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley

Honestly I am only vaguely familiar with how the internal circuit works. As the voltage goes up the power output from the internal BEC goes down. Maybe I can get Holmes to expand on it.

Bec can only do a fixed amount of wattage. The equation for watts is volts x amps. So as volts go up, the amps must come down to equal the same wattage. I think.....

Harley · 11-01-2011, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skid

Bec can only do a fixed amount of wattage. The equation for watts is volts x amps. So as volts go up, the amps must come down to equal the same wattage. I think.....

Yeah it's been about 6 years since my last physics class so the equations escape me at times. That is roughly the equation I was recalling but couldn't put ink to paper so to speak.

madkawi650 · 11-01-2011, 07:08 PM

Completely get it now.. It's a watts thing really and not a voltage thing.. Like my 5amp charger that charges up to 6s, but is only 50 watts.. It will do a 2s at 5 amp but as soon as I try 3s it drops to 4.4amps.. 3s= 11.1volts * 4.4 = 48.84watts.. Or very near the 50watt limit of my charger.. So in the BEC world It would work the same way. There would be a total max watts.

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Stburr91 · 11-12-2011, 01:55 PM

Are you guys using the MIP drive shafts and the traxxas pins cutting off the parts of the pin that hangs out of the drive shafts? It seems the pin will hit the back side of the transmission cover if it isn't cut.

Francois · 11-12-2011, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skid

Bec can only do a fixed amount of wattage. The equation for watts is volts x amps. So as volts go up, the amps must come down to equal the same wattage. I think.....

I have a question about BEC. I run lipo 3s but my ESC is HH BR-XL with an internal BEC of 6 volts and 5 amps...Do I need to put an external BEC ? I think that I don t need due to my new ESC but if specialist can confirm...

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Harley · 11-12-2011, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stburr91

Are you guys using the MIP drive shafts and the traxxas pins cutting off the parts of the pin that hangs out of the drive shafts? It seems the pin will hit the back side of the transmission cover if it isn't cut.

I don't run the cover so I don't cut it. I don't really care about the cover.

Harley · 11-12-2011, 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Francois

I have a question about BEC. I run lipo 3s but my ESC is HH BR-XL with an internal BEC of 6 volts and 5 amps...Do I need to put an external BEC ? I think that I don t need due to my new ESC but if specialist can confirm...

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Depends on your servo. Big servos still need a BEC. If you're over 300oz/in I would just suggest grabbing one.

kyrzrone · 11-15-2011, 07:10 AM

[QUOTE=Harley;3196027]Transmission

Stock Internals:

The transmission in the Wraith is a modified version of the AX10/SCX10 transmission. It uses the same gears but incorporates a new rear case half and steel outputs. The new rear case and output shaft are in preparation for the new dig unit that will be released from Axial. For this reason not all upgrades listed for the AX10/SCX10 will work with the Wraith however. The center and final gears in the transmission are plastic and are the most prone to failure inside your transmission. [QUOTE]

Harley after reading this I got thinking which at times can be dangerous & expensive. Will the Vanquish Hurtz Shifter 3 Position Dig for Axial AX10 Scorpion #VPS01337 fit the Wraith's transmission? I prefer to run my Wraith without the interior kit, so space will not be a issue. Also when is Axial releasing there dig kit? And will any other AX10 dig kit fit without the interior kit? Here is a link to the kit I am talking about. Thanks for all the great info!
Vanquish Hurtz Shifter 3 Position Dig for Axial AX10 Scorpion (Black)#VPS01337*-*Driveline Parts: Transmissions/Dig Units and transmission/dig parts*-*-By Truck: Axial AX10 Scorpion, SCX10, Honcho*-*The Crawlers Store LLC

Danno · 11-17-2011, 07:56 AM

Harley,

First off, thanks for all the info you have posted about your Wraith. I'm new to RC and getting a Wraith for Christmas. So, I've been doing a lot of reading on the forum and trying learn all I can without totally confusing myself. Anyway, you have listed as using MIP CVD Driveshafts for the AX10 without dig. I was looking on the MIP website and see they have a MIP CVD Driveshaft specifically for the Wraith. Just curious, if there is a reason for using the AX10 CVD over the Wraith CVD? Or is the Wraith CVD a new product?

Harley · 11-17-2011, 08:01 AM

That is a new product is all. I'm sure that it will be a good choice.

Francois · 11-17-2011, 08:22 AM

Hello guys, I have a wraith little bit modified but I want to stay more scale than crawler. By the way, I want to improve the crawling performance of it, so my question is : 4WS or Dig ?

Here some pics

My upgrades are:

Torquemaster 35 T and BR-XL
Strong steering servo
Vanquish Steering ling
All links from Vanquish
Ripsaw 35
Axial CVD
STRC C hub and knuckles
Front battery 3S 1550 mah
Soft springs 1.04 lbs front and rear
Gearing 15x87

Thank you

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Harley · 11-17-2011, 08:30 AM

I ran dig and 4WS in my Wraith at first. After a very short time I took the dig out. With 4WS I just did not see it needed at all.

guidetti_angelo · 11-17-2011, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley

I ran dig and 4WS in my Wraith at first. After a very short time I took the dig out. With 4WS I just did not see it needed at all.

Did you try more advantage with 4ws then dig?
I was planning to buy a Vanquish dig for my wraith..
Is it direct fit on stock wraith tranny?

Harley · 11-17-2011, 11:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guidetti_angelo

Did you try more advantage with 4ws then dig?
I was planning to buy a Vanquish dig for my wraith..
Is it direct fit on stock wraith tranny?

The 4WS was more useful and I never found myself using the dig.

To add a VP dig you need to buy a new transmission case for the AX10 or SCX10 as well.

Francois · 11-17-2011, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harley

I ran dig and 4WS in my Wraith at first. After a very short time I took the dig out. With 4WS I just did not see it needed at all.

Ok thanks a lot.
Before 4WS, I have to change my internal transmission because I've just explode something during practice...Torquemaster 35 turns is really the master of torque......I'll going to full metal pinions....

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couch · 11-17-2011, 01:54 PM

Harley,
what are your thoughts on the strc front end pieces c hubs, knucles things like that?

Harley · 11-17-2011, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by couch

Harley,
what are your thoughts on the strc front end pieces c hubs, knucles things like that?

They work fine from what I've seen. I prefer the VP knuckles because they are a high steer knuckle and don't have the unused arms on the rear.

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10-31-2011, 06:40 PM	#322
madkawi650 Rock Crawler Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chezzetcook Nova Scotia Posts: 537	Harley, I'm not doubting that you are correct, but why would servo voltage be less if running 3s? Just wondering .. I'm trying to absorb all the info I can. Thanks Sent from my highly abused iPhone using Tapatalk

11-01-2011, 07:08 PM	#326
madkawi650 Rock Crawler Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Chezzetcook Nova Scotia Posts: 537	Completely get it now.. It's a watts thing really and not a voltage thing.. Like my 5amp charger that charges up to 6s, but is only 50 watts.. It will do a 2s at 5 amp but as soon as I try 3s it drops to 4.4amps.. 3s= 11.1volts * 4.4 = 48.84watts.. Or very near the 50watt limit of my charger.. So in the BEC world It would work the same way. There would be a total max watts. Sent from my highly abused iPhone using Tapatalk

11-12-2011, 01:55 PM	#327
Stburr91 Quarry Creeper Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 292	Are you guys using the MIP drive shafts and the traxxas pins cutting off the parts of the pin that hangs out of the drive shafts? It seems the pin will hit the back side of the transmission cover if it isn't cut.

11-15-2011, 07:10 AM	#331
kyrzrone Rock Stacker Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Central, KY Posts: 57	[QUOTE=Harley;3196027]Transmission Stock Internals: The transmission in the Wraith is a modified version of the AX10/SCX10 transmission. It uses the same gears but incorporates a new rear case half and steel outputs. The new rear case and output shaft are in preparation for the new dig unit that will be released from Axial. For this reason not all upgrades listed for the AX10/SCX10 will work with the Wraith however. The center and final gears in the transmission are plastic and are the most prone to failure inside your transmission. [QUOTE] Harley after reading this I got thinking which at times can be dangerous & expensive. Will the Vanquish Hurtz Shifter 3 Position Dig for Axial AX10 Scorpion #VPS01337 fit the Wraith's transmission? I prefer to run my Wraith without the interior kit, so space will not be a issue. Also when is Axial releasing there dig kit? And will any other AX10 dig kit fit without the interior kit? Here is a link to the kit I am talking about. Thanks for all the great info! Vanquish Hurtz Shifter 3 Position Dig for Axial AX10 Scorpion (Black)#VPS01337-Driveline Parts: Transmissions/Dig Units and transmission/dig parts--By Truck: Axial AX10 Scorpion, SCX10, Honcho-The Crawlers Store LLC

11-17-2011, 07:56 AM	#332
Danno Newbie Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Prosper Posts: 40	Harley, First off, thanks for all the info you have posted about your Wraith. I'm new to RC and getting a Wraith for Christmas. So, I've been doing a lot of reading on the forum and trying learn all I can without totally confusing myself. Anyway, you have listed as using MIP CVD Driveshafts for the AX10 without dig. I was looking on the MIP website and see they have a MIP CVD Driveshaft specifically for the Wraith. Just curious, if there is a reason for using the AX10 CVD over the Wraith CVD? Or is the Wraith CVD a new product?

11-17-2011, 08:01 AM	#333
Harley 20K Club Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sending illegals home one Hayabusa at a time. Posts: 22,981	That is a new product is all. I'm sure that it will be a good choice.

11-17-2011, 08:22 AM	#334
Francois Quarry Creeper Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Spring Texas Posts: 209	Hello guys, I have a wraith little bit modified but I want to stay more scale than crawler. By the way, I want to improve the crawling performance of it, so my question is : 4WS or Dig ? Here some pics My upgrades are: Torquemaster 35 T and BR-XL Strong steering servo Vanquish Steering ling All links from Vanquish Ripsaw 35 Axial CVD STRC C hub and knuckles Front battery 3S 1550 mah Soft springs 1.04 lbs front and rear Gearing 15x87 Thank you --- I am here: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=30.078899,-95.460185 Axial Wraith and Losi SCTE

11-17-2011, 08:30 AM	#335
Harley 20K Club Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sending illegals home one Hayabusa at a time. Posts: 22,981	I ran dig and 4WS in my Wraith at first. After a very short time I took the dig out. With 4WS I just did not see it needed at all.

11-17-2011, 01:54 PM	#339
couch Newbie Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: PDX Posts: 41	Harley, what are your thoughts on the strc front end pieces c hubs, knucles things like that?

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