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[The Violator]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

Presidents don't often go around denouncing every single hate group. Trump has denounced hate numerous times. He also denounced the endorsement of David Duke and the KKK during his campaign. It's so convenient for people to forget that. Minorities that work for and with Trump have spoken out on his behalf. Saying Trump is even partially to blame for this is straight up ignorant and laughable.

Obama never denounced the BLM. He never denounced Muslim extremists. In fact, that jackass invited the BLM to the White House. Does that mean Obama is responsible for the emergence of black supremacist groups?

It is people are used to King Obama attacking all the hate groups like white people, tax payers, anyone who does not want to be blown up by a goat ****er.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

I was speaking about this incident, specifically. The reemergence of White Nationalists, IMO, is in response to the BLM. They see these racists pieces of shit from the other extreme get away with their rallies. The BLM got too much press and even, unbelievably, praise for their racism. White supremacists want the same.

BLM will go away. They got hot quick, and will burn out eventually. Same with the Antifas.

White Nationalists have been around much longer and are deeply rooted. They go by various names, but they are established and violence has always been at their core. Call them nazis, call them the klan, call them whatever. They've always used force and fear.

BLM and ANTIFA eventually got to the same place, but weren't always like that.

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

Presidents don't often go around denouncing every single hate group. Trump has denounced hate numerous times. He also denounced the endorsement of David Duke and the KKK during his campaign. It's so convenient for people to forget that. Minorities that work for and with Trump have spoken out on his behalf. Saying Trump is even partially to blame for this is straight up ignorant and laughable.

True, they don't. But when those groups chant his name, he damn well should.

I'm not saying he's directly supporting these guys, but his failure to condemn them specifically is either acknowledgement of his support, or a huge political misstep. One well worded public statement could take a ton of wind out of their sails.

David Duke is no longer the leader of the KKK, and hasn't been for a while. Denouncing him means very little. He's still active though, and iirc he was there in NC.

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

Obama never denounced the BLM. He never denounced Muslim extremists. In fact, that jackass invited the BLM to the White House. Does that mean Obama is responsible for the emergence of black supremacist groups?

BLM isn't one solid group with the same leadership and goals. What started out as one thing turned into a few others that were less than desirable and did nothing for the movement. Obama invited the creators of BLM, which are not the same people that get violent in their name. Same with the ANTIFAs, same with the Occupy Wallstreet people. What started out as peaceful protests got overrun by assholes that just wanted to tear shit up.

Did Obama directly denounce Muslim extremists? Not directly, but he spoke against it quite a bit. Should he have? Yeah.

[Highmark]

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

I was speaking about this incident, specifically. The reemergence of White Nationalists, IMO, is in response to the BLM. They see these racists pieces of shit from the other extreme get away with their rallies. The BLM got too much press and even, unbelievably, praise for their racism.

You know youre on the right track when you can compare a group of people who are organising for their right to not get murdered with the KKK and Nazis.

Youre right about the second part thougb though, its not Trumps fault that there are racist assholes in this country, its part of our DNA.

[NoobCrawler]

You can't fight hate with hate...if those counter protestors just didn't show up, none of this would've happened. But no, they feel so self righteous that they feel the need to jam their beliefs down everyone's throats. Just leave those 100 or so Nazi *f word used for gays* to circle jerk in peace.

[NoobCrawler]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Uh, no. "White Nationalist" is the PC term for "Nazi". Don't ever make excuses for them. Civilized society has worked hard to beat the extremist into the fringes where they belong.

But yes, they're morons.

In a way, it is Trumps fault. He has yet to disavow them, even though they look up to him as their idealogical messiah and often chant his name when they rally. Damn near every politician on either side of the isle has come out to condemn the WNs today, the glaring and major exception is Trump.

And before you go off on a "that's what the msm wants you to believe" rant, do like I did and lurk some nazi message boards. They love the guy. They're thrilled that he didn't come at them directly. They believe that he is on their side.

Watching earlier coverage, an interesting point was made about not singling out a side, it would be taken as support for the other side. So, that's why said hatred & bigotry on both sides. You know damn well if he called out the nationalists...he would've been pointed at for being...yet again...a fascist.

[JatoTheRipper]

I had a response typed and POS IE lost it. I typically use Chrome, but in this case I did not. So I'm retyping...

Originally Posted by The Violator

It is people are used to King Obama attacking all the hate groups like white people, tax payers, anyone who does not want to be blown up by a goat ****er.

I don't think Obama is racist. Do I think he is biased towards blacks? Yes, I do. He is part black and his family is black. And I wouldn't call that unnatural. There is evidence that we all have racial bias despite the best intentions.

Obama would love a socialist country. His healthcare plan was one part of that. In that regard, he is anti-hard working Americans IMHO.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

BLM will go away. They got hot quick, and will burn out eventually. Same with the Antifas.

Antifa is a joke. They seem to be a bunch of dilusional degenerates. I don't think they are even worth mentioning.

Will BLM go away? I have no idea, but I do know they got really quiet really quickly. The BLM hashtag will resurface the next time a white cop kills a black man, justified or not, and it's video taped.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

White Nationalists have been around much longer and are deeply rooted. They go by various names, but they are established and violence has always been at their core. Call them nazis, call them the klan, call them whatever. They've always used force and fear.

BLM and ANTIFA eventually got to the same place, but weren't always like that.

I agree that White Nationalists and BLM are not on the same level. White Nationalism has decades of history and violence. The BLM sure turned violent quickly though. It only took a couple of years.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

True, they don't. But when those groups chant his name, he damn well should.

I'm not saying he's directly supporting these guys, but his failure to condemn them specifically is either acknowledgement of his support, or a huge political misstep. One well worded public statement could take a ton of wind out of their sails.

Yes, he should denounce them. It would probably also be a great political move. He denounced hate which is broader and good enough for me.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

David Duke is no longer the leader of the KKK, and hasn't been for a while. Denouncing him means very little. He's still active though, and iirc he was there in NC.

David Duke is a politician and most people know his story. He's probably also the most famous KKK member. I think that's why Trump distanced himself from David Duke.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

BLM isn't one solid group with the same leadership and goals. What started out as one thing turned into a few others that were less than desirable and did nothing for the movement. Obama invited the creators of BLM, which are not the same people that get violent in their name. Same with the ANTIFAs, same with the Occupy Wallstreet people. What started out as peaceful protests got overrun by assholes that just wanted to tear shit up.

I think racists piggybacking onto the BLM hashtag are probably, at least partially, responsible for the segmentation of the BLM. Social media is so powerful that it can make or break things such as movements.

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Did Obama directly denounce Muslim extremists? Not directly, but he spoke against it quite a bit. Should he have? Yeah.

Did Obama denounce "Muslim extremists"? I don't ever remember that. He was very careful to not mention "Islam" or "Muslims" in a bad light.

Originally Posted by Highmark

You know youre on the right track when you can compare a group of people who are organising for their right to not get murdered with the KKK and Nazis.

Youre right about the second part thougb though, its not Trumps fault that there are racist assholes in this country, its part of our DNA.

If you think the BLM is simply about "not get[ting] mudered I suggest you do more research. They lost sight of their original mission.

[wings_of_fire]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Fawking Nazis.

That stunt is actually quite risky due to the fact that, guys that jumped later are falling on or close to the ones before them. I did note, the first group jumps further than the upcoming ones.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by NoobCrawler

Watching earlier coverage, an interesting point was made about not singling out a side, it would be taken as support for the other side. So, that's why said hatred & bigotry on both sides. You know damn well if he called out the nationalists...he would've been pointed at for being...yet again...a fascist.

You know that ANTIFA doesn't like fascists, right? ANTIFA = Anti Fascist. White Nationalists are fascists.

A ton of prominent right wing politicians badmouthed the Nationalists yesterday. Unapoligetically and directly. This is not a left-right issue, it is an American one. They should be fought and counter-protested at every turn. They do not want equality, they do not want unity. They believe that they are part of the superior race and that the US is rightfully theirs.

If you can't firmly stand against them, you need to seriously rethink your position as an American.

[Highmark]

Originally Posted by NoobCrawler

You can't fight hate with hate...if those counter protestors just didn't show up, none of this would've happened. But no, they feel so self righteous that they feel the need to jam their beliefs down everyone's throats. Just leave those 100 or so Nazi *f word used for gays* to circle jerk in peace.

My Grandpa would roll over in his grave if he heard me say "oh just leave the poor Nazis alone." Are you really going to take up for the freaking Nazis on this one? The groups that organized the whole thing were all out of state white Nationlist clubs, and there were around 500 of them. I cant imagine anyone marching with a bunch of Nazis and Klansmen is just there to promote "heritage".

Originally Posted by JatoTheRipper

If you think the BLM is simply about "not get[ting] mudered I suggest you do more research. They lost sight of their original mission.

Sure, I'll que up some Alex Jones stat.

[JatoTheRipper]

Originally Posted by Highmark

Sure, I'll que up some Alex Jones stat.

Alex Jones? Sorry, I thought you were trying to have a serious debate.

[NoobCrawler]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

You know that ANTIFA doesn't like fascists, right? ANTIFA = Anti Fascist. White Nationalists are fascists.

A ton of prominent right wing politicians badmouthed the Nationalists yesterday. Unapoligetically and directly. This is not a left-right issue, it is an American one. They should be fought and counter-protested at every turn. They do not want equality, they do not want unity. They believe that they are part of the superior race and that the US is rightfully theirs.

If you can't firmly stand against them, you need to seriously rethink your position as an American.

I'm aware of what those antifa morons think they stand for, but their actions say otherwise. So yes, I think if he just denounced the nationalists, the finger would be pointing at him for that. Look at all the stupid accusations already thrown his way since campaigning.

Yes, they shouldn't be here, but same with any other hateful person. Problem is we can't get rid of them simply for hating something. The group that came to counter protest wanted nothing more than to make a scene & fight. That's all they ever do. Counter protest those dipwqd nationalists all you want, awesome. But the way things went down yesterday didn't help anything.

Originally Posted by Highmark

My Grandpa would roll over in his grave if he heard me say "oh just leave the poor Nazis alone." Are you really going to take up for the freaking Nazis on this one? The groups that organized the whole thing were all out of state white Nationlist clubs, and there were around 500 of them. I cant imagine anyone marching with a bunch of Nazis and Klansmen is just there to promote "heritage".

I wouldn't be marching with them either. Nor do I agree with their hate simply because I suggest it would've gone differently if those other idiots didn't start brawling with them.

Like I said earlier, can't fight their hate with more hate. Them, the nationalists, being attacked yesterday is only, I imagine, embolden them. I'm sure that gave their "plight" more justification in their minds.

[KJ10]

Too Violent For Ivy League Sensibilities: Yale Sanitizes Library Entrance Carving of a Gun - The Truth About Guns

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by KJ10

Too Violent For Ivy League Sensibilities: Yale Sanitizes Library Entrance Carving of a Gun - The Truth About Guns

Did you happen to scroll down far enough to read the comments? Nationalism in a nutshell...

"The Bible, which has NEVER been disproven, tells us that the VP of Confederacy, that Judd mentioned, is actually correct. There are more than 100 verses in the Bible telling us that negros are NOT in the ancestry of man! Behemah: Beast of the Field This is not about racism or bigotry, neither of which apply, this is understanding God’s creation and what MAN’s and the negro’s place is in this world!"

[JatoTheRipper]

Originally Posted by KJ10

Too Violent For Ivy League Sensibilities: Yale Sanitizes Library Entrance Carving of a Gun - The Truth About Guns

More liberal idiocy. Guns aren't the problem. People are the problem. People that don't realize that are stupid.

[67mustang]

I find it all absolutely hilarious. Get ready for 8 years of Trump. The nazis are comin! My Facebook is full of triggered liberals that have nothing better to do with their lives than be offended cause some dumbass ran over another.

Yeah so the nationalists are rightfully protesting the washing of history. And the counterprotesters should be wise to know that they might get run over while standing in the street.

As much as we may dislike the message, the fringe always has the right to their free speech. Whether it is lost young white men or BLM people.

And the left in this country believe men with psychological identity issues should be allowed to hangout in the little girls room.

Remind me again which group I am supposed to be believe to be full retard?

Remind me again why Trump is president? It had more to do with HRC getting thrown in a van like a sack of sht in the middle of the general election than racism or white nationalism or russia or whatever is today's excuse.

[mikemcE]

Reminder !!

Hang up and Drive

[NoobCrawler]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Did you happen to scroll down far enough to read the comments? Nationalism in a nutshell...

"The Bible, which has NEVER been disproven, tells us that the VP of Confederacy, that Judd mentioned, is actually correct. There are more than 100 verses in the Bible telling us that negros are NOT in the ancestry of man! Behemah: Beast of the Field This is not about racism or bigotry, neither of which apply, this is understanding God’s creation and what MAN’s and the negro’s place is in this world!"

One whack job comment shouldn't take away from the story, the bubble wrapping of this country for the pansies. Removing a gun from a however old carving because apparently "adults" can't handle walking by a statue. While we're at it, we may as well get rid of the Iwo Jima statue because people here find the American flag offensive. How far is too far?

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by NoobCrawler

One whack job comment shouldn't take away from the story, the bubble wrapping of this country for the pansies.

It wasn't meant to, but it was relevant to the discussion.

[dezfan]

Man, the "evil alt right" tries to have a peaceful protest and look what happenes.

Like them or not, they too have 1st Amendment rights.

They pulled the neccassary permits and did everything required of them to hold their rally.

Then the dipshit antifa morons and the BLM thugs get bussed in. The "media" is primed to cover the "event" and when the violent leftist commence committing acts of violence, its reported to be caused by the "Trump supporters" as it's an "Alt Right" event.

So convenient and predictable.

It's like the "Russian narritive" has lost it's attraction and the Left needed something new to scream about and blame Trump for 24/7.

Notice how different the coverage is compared to the Berkeley attacks when leftist attacked Trump supporters.

Notice the condemnation of the "Alt Right" but even after being pressed, no condemnation of Antifa or BLM by these Leftist politicians?

The only commonality I've see is Leftist politicians ordering the police not to engage and letting these attacks escalate.

It's been sad watching the 10 month temper tantrum the Left has thrown since losing the election.

They have shown their true colors time and time again.

We've wintnessed multiple attacks by many Leftist organizations on Trump supporters and nothing. They demand the overturn of a elected President, they violently protest in the streets, their Liberal celebrity talking heads openly call for violence, they call for military coup, Liberal are now openly calling for the eradication of the white race and openly call for the death of the President.

Yet it's those darned "Conservative Christians" (aka white folks) that are to blame for the violence.

Buy it cheap and stack it deep folks, me thinks it's gonna get ugly before it gets better.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Joe defending nazis. Kinda figured that was gonna happen.