Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Obama's solution to end gun violence...

[binaryterror]

Originally Posted by rock hard

Only one I dint like for sure I guess is the doctor part..
I honestly dont think it wil help, I think it will be a cloud.
Some may cosider the ramafications of being 100% forth coming while in session..Some may decide not to seek treatment in the 1st place for the
lack of privacy.

Anytime a patient (docs) or client (law) makes a threat to themselves, family, other it is not against the confidentiality agreements to go to the police and have and incident reported.

Also, since it's clear you think it needs to be a raging looney, which is not true...this is why medical professionals handling these mental patients need to be well trained. Not to listen or view blind, but to see other cues that might be triggers.

You make it sound like they ask 10 questions and on the answer of those questions a judgement is done. It's not, it should have to do with the reaction, timing, focus, and all the involved human triggers that will be there with the answer, be the answer sane the triggers behind it may not.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by dezfan

Number 16.

It's none of the governments business, much less my medical providers how many fire arms I own or how much ammo I keep on hand for those fire arms.

Our medical office asks patients questions all of the time that they give OBVIOUS false answers to...and these are questions that pertain to their health. Nothing is forcing you to answer truthfully.

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by dezfan

It's none of the governments business, much less my medical providers how many fire arms I own or how much ammo I keep on hand for those fire arms.

Agreed. I think a simple "do you own firearms? yes/no" would be sufficient, but only if there were some kind of question about your mental state.

[rock hard]

Originally Posted by binaryterror

Anytime a patient (docs) or client (law) makes a threat to themselves, family, other it is not against the confidentiality agreements to go to the police and have and incident reported.

Also, since it's clear you think it needs to be a raging looney, which is not true...this is why medical professionals handling these mental patients need to be well trained. Not to listen or view blind, but to see other cues that might be triggers.

You make it sound like they ask 10 questions and on the answer of those questions a judgement is done. It's not, it should have to do with the reaction, timing, focus, and all the involved human triggers that will be there with the answer, be the answer sane the triggers behind it may not.

No I'm assuming a person who may seek help, would like to be able to be 100% honest and forthcoming with his doctor.

I think that making is clear, that the doctor can inform authirities will makke some patients wonder if they should "or can" be 100% honest.
And some may just decide to not seek help in the 1st place.

If you fail to ackwoledge that potentioal, then I say you underestimate
human behavior of self preservation.....many things can spawn fear.

[MadMax5978]

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Should I assume that everyone's silence means "no"?

I don't like that it's gonna take another $500 million to do all he's saying just more money wasted! As far as I'm concerned there is no way you can predict how some one is going to act in the future. Just my .02

[dezfan]

Originally Posted by JeremyH

Our medical office asks patients questions all of the time that they give OBVIOUS false answers to...and these are questions that pertain to their health. Nothing is forcing you to answer truthfully.

I understand that. instead, why not ask how many boxes of cookies do you own, are you prepared to eat them?

Seems to me a much more relivant question in the case of a medical setting?

Originally Posted by Duuuuuuuude

Agreed. I think a simple "do you own firearms? yes/no" would be sufficient, but only if there were some kind of question about your mental state.

Better, but still irrelivent to the situation.

Doc my allergies are terrible, can you help?

Well Mr. Smith, how many fire arms do you own? How much ammunition do you keep on hand for them?

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by dezfan

Better, but still irrelivent to the situation.

Doc my allergies are terrible, can you help?

Well Mr. Smith, how many fire arms do you own? How much ammunition do you keep on hand for them?

That is why I said that question should be asked only if your mental stability or state of mind is in question.

[Duuuuuuuude]

And it wouldn't have to be the police that come to confiscate your weapons if you turn out to be a nut job. If they can get a reliable friend or family member to do the same, its just as good. Keeping YOU from having access is the whole point...

[dezfan]

As I read through these proposals again, number 14 gets me thinking.

Is this an attempt to call firearms a public health threat?

Could this be another attempt to open a new avenue for restrictions?

Like the FBI, ATF, HSO, DOJ aren't enough, lets throw the CDC into the mix and add more government intrusion into the equation.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by dezfan

I understand that. instead, why not ask how many boxes of cookies do you own, are you prepared to eat them?

That's the EXACT question I was referring to earlier...

Originally Posted by dezfan

Seems to me a much more relivant question in the case of a medical setting?

Agreed.

[Postclanker]

I'm not a proponent of gun control...but I'd like to address the topic of this thread:

"Guns don't kill people,people kill people"

guns empower a cowardly f%$# form getting up close and personal with whomever they'd like to kill. How many would be murderers would be detered from doing such if they had to smell the breath of their victim...or kill them with your hands, if the "smelly breath" analogy escapes you.

[dezfan]

Number 4 makes me laugh.

Have the attorney general check to make sure the wrong people don't buy or own guns?

Ummmm, what happened in the "Fast and Furious" debacle?

[dezfan]

All of these EOs and yet nothing addressing the Entertainment industry.


I guess Obama didn't want to interfere or upset his Hollywood supporters as they continue making millions (and donating large sums to him)glorifying gun violence?

[93 FORD BRONCO]

Originally Posted by CREEPERBOB

I've brought this subject up to more people than I can remember, all wanna do something but,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, and the excuses start. I've brought it up on here a hundred times as well, that WE the people are the goverments employer.
People make a statment when they want to secede, or want there birth control paid for but when something that really infringes on us as a people comes along there seems to be no back bone to stand up, I guess it takes to much time or something.
Not too sound like a smart ass (or dumb ass), but how would ya go about starting a petition for something?
Hell, there are enough folks just on this forum that each of them in there own state should be able to raise a rukus on any particular issue they may feel the need for.

I was thinkin the same thing. If we could find a way to circulate a petition on this forum we could probly get some stuff done. There's definatly enough members. I have no idea how we would go about doing this though.

Originally Posted by Postclanker

I'm not a proponent of gun control...but I'd like to address the topic of this thread:

"Guns don't kill people,people kill people"

guns empower a cowardly f%$# form getting up close and personal with whomever they'd like to kill. How many would be murderers would be detered from doing such if they had to smell the breath of their victim...or kill them with your hands, if the "smelly breath" analogy escapes you.

i see your point but I think if someone really wanted to kill someone else it wouldn't matter how, it might have some effect on certain people but I think it would be negligible. When your at the point of literally going to kill someone I would think you wouldn't care about the person breath or anything else for that matter. Most murderes are not right in the head in the first place.

[93 FORD BRONCO]

Originally Posted by Die-Laughing

Did he do the speech? No gun or mag ban?

wondering the same thing.

nevermind...

[Postclanker]

Originally Posted by 93 FORD BRONCO

I was thinkin the same thing. If we could find a way to circulate a petition on this forum we could probly get some stuff done. There's definatly enough members. I have no idea how we would go about doing this though.
i see your point but I think if someone really wanted to kill someone else it wouldn't matter how, it might have some effect on certain people but I think it would be negligible. When your at the point of literally going to kill someone I would think you wouldn't care about the person breath or anything else for that matter. Most murderes are not right in the head in the first place.

if you had to stab someone, or strangle them instead of picking them off with an automatic weapon, you're going to think about it while you are doing it. It's not as trivial as spewing hundreds of rounds in a matter of seconds...then having the look of that idiot in Col. with the WTF did I just do look on his face. You are right, if you want to kill someone, you're gonna do it...but the numbers are't going to be near as high

[SINister]

Originally Posted by Postclanker

It's not as trivial as spewing hundreds of rounds in a matter of seconds

Whats the stats on homicides involving mini-guns in the US?

[Postclanker]

Originally Posted by SINister

Whats the stats on homicides involving mini-guns in the US?

I'm sure it's not pretty...but the head count certainly isn't as high

[Duuuuuuuude]

Originally Posted by dezfan

All of these EOs and yet nothing addressing the Entertainment industry.


I guess Obama didn't want to interfere or upset his Hollywood supporters as they continue making millions (and donating large sums to him)glorifying gun violence?

Its funny, I stopped at a small convenience store yesterday, and the clerk behind the counter had the radio on.

I won't tell you what kind of music it was, but it involved guns, a shootout, and taking a bullet to the chest.

Three guesses as to what he was listening to...

[dezfan]

Lawrence Welk's gangsta polka paradise?