Rules, Issues and Public Concerns

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by Tgreer

IMO that's not what the mission statement says.

I'm sorry that you interpreted it that way.

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

From everything I have heard clubs that have demand for it are already running it.

That being said where may I find an updated list (2013) of sanctioned clubs? The current one on RCC is years out of date. According to the thread 1 club per year for the last three years has been sanctioned. If this list was updated annually we'd all have a better finger on the pulse of crawling nationally.

Thanks Fish.
J

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by SkaldidDog

That being said where may I find an updated list (2013) of sanctioned clubs? The current one on RCC is years out of date. According to the thread 1 club per year for the last three years has been sanctioned. If this list was updated annually we'd all have a better finger on the pulse of crawling nationally.

Thanks Fish.
J

There is only 1x List.

Clubs are not required to check in, pay dues or other method of tracking. Clubs are also often resurrected after a year or 2 of inactivity. If someone wants to spend the time tracking down club leaders to find out the clubs current status I would be willing to add a Status Level: Active/Inactive/Disbanded to each clubs info, but I see no value in deleting a club completely from the roster.

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

There is only 1x List.

Clubs are not required to check in, pay dues or other method of tracking. Clubs are also often resurrected after a year or 2 of inactivity. If someone wants to spend the time tracking down club leaders to find out the clubs current status I would be willing to add a Status Level: Active/Inactive/Disbanded to each clubs info, but I see no value in deleting a club completely from the roster.

So sanctioning permanently recognizes a club's name, nothing more? What if the club is resurrected with no members present during the founding/sanctioning period?

Cheers,

J

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by SkaldidDog

So sanctioning permanently recognizes a club's name, nothing more?
YES

What if the club is resurrected with no members present during the founding/sanctioning period?

Sanctioning was for a different time, and at this time I am more than likely going to suspend club sanctioning requirements for most states. We need people organizing comps not worrying about minimum sanctioning requirements.

[Frankenwheely]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Sanctioning was for a different time, and at this time I am more than likely going to suspend club sanctioning requirements for most states. We need people organizing comps not worrying about minimum sanctioning requirements.

So are you saying that a club can start up currently and will be recognized by the USRCCA?

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Sanctioning was for a different time, and at this time I am more than likely going to suspend club sanctioning requirements for most states. We need people organizing comps not worrying about minimum sanctioning requirements.

Good call. How does the CA regionals work then. The top 5 from any club get to crawl?

Originally Posted by Frankenwheely

So are you saying that a club can start up currently and will be recognized by the USRCCA?

Looks that way.

[tapped-out]

Originally Posted by SkaldidDog

Good call. How does the CA regionals work then. The top 5 from any club get to crawl?.

So if a unsanctioned Club has only 4 members all 4 make top 5 for southern California Regional?







I'm a one man club I'm going to regionals baby

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by Frankenwheely

So are you saying that a club can start up currently and will be recognized by the USRCCA?

Originally Posted by SkaldidDog

Good call. How does the CA regionals work then. The top 5 from any club get to crawl?



Looks that way.

Originally Posted by tapped-out

So if a unsanctioned Club has only 4 members all 4 make top 5 for southern California Regional?



I'm a one man club I'm going to regionals baby

Or we could just keep the guidelines in place in states/areas with active clubs.


Leave it to the Cali boys to complicate a simple idea intended to help crawling.

[Frankenwheely]

West coast gets no love.
Just trying to figure things out to get the best results. Thats what happens when you hang out with a scientist.

[SkaldidDog]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Leave it to the Cali boys to complicate a simple idea intended to help crawling.

"Devil is in the details."

Love,
Satan

[SkaldidDog]

Another simple idea intended to help crawling was the suggestions thread. But then it was moved to a regulated thread and no further posts were approved. Now it is dead.

Kettle

[Jslick]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

Sanctioning was for a different time, and at this time I am more than likely going to suspend club sanctioning requirements for most states. We need people organizing comps not worrying about minimum sanctioning requirements.

That would be a great change for our club. We have met all of the requirements since 2011 except the number of drivers needed per comp. It has been driving me crazy.

[Jslick]

Originally Posted by SkaldidDog

Good call. How does the CA regionals work then. The top 5 from any club get to crawl?



Looks that way.

In PA the clubs would have a crawl off to see who would represent the state.

[JeremyH]

Originally Posted by Jslick

In PA the clubs would have a crawl off to see who would represent the state.

Same for Texas. That is what the USRCCA requires of a state that has multiple clubs.

[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by Jslick

That would be a great change for our club. We have met all of the requirements since 2011 except the number of drivers needed per comp. It has been driving me crazy.

The intent of the idea was to help legitimate clubs and drivers like yours without a sanctioned option. Not for those drivers that already have a sanctioned club in the area that just want to stack state crawl offs.

[Tgreer]

I know you guys roll your eyes when I question, but I'm opinionated and that's just how I roll. So, I have another question on this trail class. I think the overall idea of this class is wonderful, but I'm wondering if the 4WS and dig is going to hurt more than help. It seems you guys are trying to keep mods mild and more stock witch is good. So, having these two options seem like it would add expense and put your good drivers that much further ahead. I'm just thinkin that without these options the rigs will be cheaper to build and perform well in this class, in turn allowing more people to participate and compete well in it that don't have as much money to put into it.

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[Fishmaxx]

Originally Posted by Tgreer

I know you guys roll your eyes when I question, but I'm opinionated and that's just how I roll. So, I have another question on this trail class. I think the overall idea of this class is wonderful, but I'm wondering if the 4WS and dig is going to hurt more than help. It seems you guys are trying to keep mods mild and more stock witch is good. So, having these two options seem like it would add expense and put your good drivers that much further ahead. I'm just thinkin that without these options the rigs will be cheaper to build and perform well in this class, in turn allowing more people to participate and compete well in it that don't have as much money to put into it.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST FOR YOU ROWDY!!!

I hear what your saying, and we put in mostly for National level drivers. Locally I plan to leave it off until the class gets more established.

The two biggest differences I see in Dig and 4WS vs Carbon Fiber wheels and other high end components is as a driver I can turn them of without further benefit. In addition the drivers we talked to preferred adding NEW cool stuff (light, winches, dig, 4WS) over replacing existing parts just to keep up.

[Tgreer]

Originally Posted by Fishmaxx

I hear what your saying, and we put in mostly for National level drivers. Locally I plan to leave it off until the class gets more established.

The two biggest differences I see in Dig and 4WS vs Carbon Fiber wheels and other high end components is I can turn them of without benefit. In addition the drivers we talked to preferred adding cool stuff (light, winches, dig, 4WS) over replacing existing parts just to keep up.

Ok, sounds good!

I guess my main beef with the wheels was I wasent seeing the huge advantage running plate wheels since the knuckle weights are illegal. I guess my thought is if you outlaw plate wheels, then also outlaw buggy style wheel, or maybe just say stock wheels or full beadlock aluminum wheels only. Anyways overall I want you guys to know I think the overall intent of the class is awsome, Im just not afraid to debate what I think is off, and I don't get as worked up as I think you guys think I do.

[EvilTwin v2]

Originally Posted by Tgreer

I know you guys roll your eyes when I question, but...

It's not the questioning, but how the questioning is done and then the amount of arguing afterward. When people ask questions, we take note of it. It's all taken into account and often impacts our future decisions. Sometimes questions are brought up that we didn't think of...after all, we are only a handful of people discussing things and trying to come up with as many scenarios as possible.

When the questioning gets annoying is when it's been answered over and over and it just seems like you're mad at the answer so you're asking till you get the answer you want.

There are many decisions made, especially with this class, based on a perception of what will encourage new people to show up (and hopefully some old faces to return), without intimidating too many people, yet allowing some modifications. It's a tricky balance to get right, and at least when starting out, it's easier to be a little more strict with the rules, rather than trying later to ban something that was missed.

I understand your point completely on the wheels. But a line had to be drawn somewhere. Who knows, after this season, we may reevaluate the stance on those. It really depends on how it goes once there's a season of competitions under our belts and we can truly evaluate how it went. There will always be some growing pains, but we are learning from the past and trying not to make the same mistakes twice.