SORCCA rules comments, suggestions, and questions

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by saydee1800

Timothy the Train

Would this be consider a tuber?





How about this?

First one looks to be an MOA, so no.

Second one..... Tires don't look legal, and the rules specifically state that you can't use bedliner in a can to coat your PVC cage....sorry .

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by badhoopty

i have the same issue with my c2 trail ranger based build. the body is just barely over 6" wide at the widest section of the doors.

right now the insides of my front tires are pretty much flush with the doors, track width of around 6 1/8".

hopefully if i was to enter this rig at any comp there would be a little forgiveness given to it considering other builds with wider bodies can have a substantial increase in body & track width.

If you're within 1/8" I'm going to let it slide. This is still supposed to be fun.....just push down on the truck when the tech guy is measuring the inside of the tires, and make him measure where the tires touch the ground.

[kaneohecrawler]

Originally Posted by War Pig

If you're within 1/8" I'm going to let it slide. This is still supposed to be fun.....just push down on the truck when the tech guy is measuring the inside of the tires, and make him measure where the tires touch the ground.

Roger that!!!

I made up a 6" go/no go stickfor NB TJ's... so there's no questions... if it stays between the tires w/o assistance ur good
I could imagine event coordinators could make these for the more popular bodies to have on hand so no need to acually sit there and measure..


Bajaclaws on motoworx wheels


Pits on mayhem trialshooters

[War Pig]

That's a great idea!
To tell you the truth, I'm just going to look down the truck from the front and if the tires look close....you're through. We're not trying to be Hitler here. When I'm teching trucks...if I can tell that the tires stick way out, then I'm going to get out a tape measure, but if it's close then I'm going to move on to the next rig. Remember...fun!

[Tommy R]

Tim, another idea would be to use some cheap azz plastic calipers for the close ones. Might be quicker and more accurate than a tape measure and could double as a go/no-go gauge for any body.

[rocksteadily]

So in class 2 rules it says the inside
Of the front tires can't be wider than the width of the doors? So does that mean the rear can be wider than that?

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by rocksteadily

So in class 2 rules it says the inside
Of the front tires can't be wider than the width of the doors? So does that mean the rear can be wider than that?

I guess, but I can tell you right now that you are going to rail some gates if your rear track width is much wider than your front.

[rocksteadily]

Originally Posted by War Pig

I guess, but I can tell you right now that you are going to rail some gates if your rear track width is much wider than your front.

No, it's not gonna be much wider. I built
My truggy rear half with out axles to use for mock up (I was rushing, I got scammed on some axles and another set of axles
I bought took about 3 weeks to get here) so basically I need to use longer beef tubes in the back with narrow hexs to clear the cage. In front I'll be using an xr10 converted axle and some wide hexs. I think total width difference will be about a half inch or less

[team3six]

Tim I have a question I have had in my head for several years.
On a winching or tow.
Can another truck assist in pulling you up if say you have a winch failure that is permanent? or assist you by winch you up a hill?
I have seen on several 1:1 programs a truck being assisted in pulling a driver up a hill in the case of winch or driveshaft failure.
examples
H3 pulling a Toyota crawler, with broke driveshafts, uphill - YouTube
frontier pulling jeep up obstacle on pritchett canyon trail in Moab - YouTube

[hotwheels000]

Yes Norm, It is a 10 point assisted recovey just like you and I did last year in Montana.


Points:

Progress: -2 points
Reverse: +1 point
Gate Marker: +10 points
Rollover: +5 points
Boundary Marker: +10 points
Vehicle touch (repair & repositions): +10 points
Course direction: +10 points
Winch: +2 points
Assisted recovery: +10 points
Dig/rear steer: +5 points
Did not finish (or point out): high score on course +20 points
Did not start: high score on course +50 points

[War Pig]

Originally Posted by team3six

Tim I have a question I have had in my head for several years.
On a winching or tow.
Can another truck assist in pulling you up if say you have a winch failure that is permanent? or assist you by winch you up a hill?
I have seen on several 1:1 programs a truck being assisted in pulling a driver up a hill in the case of winch or driveshaft failure.
examples
H3 pulling a Toyota crawler, with broke driveshafts, uphill - YouTube
frontier pulling jeep up obstacle on pritchett canyon trail in Moab - YouTube

Anybody can help you by winching you or pulling you with their truck. You are penalized +10 if you are helped by anything other than your OWN winch.

[YoUnG_vErSiOn]

Originally Posted by kaneohecrawler

X2... I hate that a hilux has the abilty to run a full inch wider than my tj...

Would a C2 "max track width" overall be feasible? No matter what body you utilize..

Like 7" max inside to inside of tire for everyone?. Hilux body is 7" wide at doors give or take.

Having to run 6" inside to inside on my tj makes for a super narrow platform. Therfore giving every truck I'm against an advantage due to the fact they can run a wider stance and have a more stable platform.


or is there a bigger picture im not seeing?
i know the rules are made the way they are for a reason but it just really screws jeep tj guys... most other bodies are about 7'' ish from what ive noticed.

just thought i would ask about it.

lol, or just swap to a hilux...

[kaneohecrawler]

Originally Posted by young_version

lol, or just swap to a hilux...

I can't do it.....lol everyone hates my jeep so much I gotta keep it just for spite! Haha

I am picking up one of pardonmynoob's hilux's tho for a C1 build. Will be collecting parts during the deployment I'm goin on next month.

[rocksteadily]

You also have an advantage over the hilux bodies rigs cause the jeep body is waaaay smaller and
Lighter and lower profile. So you want to have the same
Track width but less body, I think that's why this rule was made.

[sloppy]

Originally Posted by rocksteadily

You also have an advantage over the hilux bodies rigs cause the jeep body is waaaay smaller and
Lighter and lower profile. So you want to have the same
Track width but less body, I think that's why this rule was made.

exactly... if it wasn't the way it is the class would end up having a bunch of mini sized bodies like comp trucks..

[kaneohecrawler]

Originally Posted by rocksteadily

You also have an advantage over the hilux bodies rigs cause the jeep body is waaaay smaller and
Lighter and lower profile. So you want to have the same
Track width but less body, I think that's why this rule was made.

I'm over the issue already was only asking tim about options/reason and he gave it. I wasn looking to start a debate.

[Tommy R]

Originally Posted by sloppy

exactly... if it wasn't the way it is the class would end up having a bunch of mini sized bodies like comp trucks..

Bingo. Our goal was to help all kinds of rigs have similar performance potential, regardless of how that may relate (or not) to their 1:1 counterparts. In other words, my daily driver TJ has more than half the tires stick out past the fender flares. But in 1:10 scale, it should be in Class 2 and I understand why: so we don't have everyone building only Jeeps.

[sally1800]

Originally Posted by Tommy R

stick out past the fender flares. But in 1:10 scale, it should be in Class 2 and I understand why: so we don't have everyone building only Jeeps.

But jeeps Rule.

Rule does seam fair once you really think and understand the concept behind it.

[Tommy R]

Originally Posted by saydee1800

But jeeps Rule.

Rule does seam fair once you really think and understand the concept behind it.

Jeeps DO rule! But considering my avatar, I may be biased.

But yeah, we're just trying to help everyone be somewhat competitive regardless of their chosen vehicle. It's NOT an easy job, but I think we did pretty well if I may say so myself. I know some aspects of rules may raise eyebrows, but after some thought and/or explanation I think it becomes more clear why we made the decisions we made.

[chevellian]

After reading this section:

Bed : Not available to tubers.
• Tube bed OR flatbed: metal -3, plastic -1
• Bed mounted headache rack or roll bar: metal -2 plastic -1

•Truggy/back halved truck: metal -4, plastic -2
(Must replace the ladder frame behind the cab with tube, and must extend past the rear axle pumpkin to be legal. The bed must have a roll bar hoop and integrated shock mounts. It also must be a structural part of the rear of the vehicle. (If your bed does not meet ALL of the preceding criteria, it does not count as a truggy bed).Tube bed, roll bar, shock mount points not available in addition to truggy bed points.

Tuber: metal -8, plastic -4
A tuber consists of a complete body structure where the front, cab, and rear sections are comprised entirely of structural tubework.
Tube bed, roll bar, internal cage, and shock mounts points not available in addition to tuber points.
• Rigid metal/plastic body panels -1

Interior cage or exo-cage: (-3 metal -1 plastic) per row of seats or area where seats would be (vehicle doesn't need an interior to get these points). Cage must have down bars and cross bars in front and behind each row. Not available to tubers.

A tuber would also get points for a truggy/back halved truck if it met the criteria?

On all the other categories it states "not available to tubers".