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[Noll11]

I've been curious about that too, good to know.


Quick question; would an 8x8 be allowed to fit into say c1 or 2 (prob will be a c1)? I see nothing in the rules against it, just thinking that it's not really common?

[TURTLE]

Originally Posted by Noll11

I've been curious about that too, good to know.


Quick question; would an 8x8 be allowed to fit into say c1 or 2 (prob will be a c1)? I see nothing in the rules against it, just thinking that it's not really common?

Absolutely, you actually get additional scale points for multiple axles. There are advantages and disadvantages to everything in scale. Such as with an 8x8, although it will climb very well it will be that much harder to turn sharp and progress through technical gates.

[Noll11]

Awesome, thanks turtle!

it won't be done for quite a while, but good to know for when it is!

[Olle P]

Originally Posted by TURTLE

Absolutely, you actually get additional scale points for multiple axles. ... it will be that much harder to turn sharp...

Given that most (all?) full scale 8x8 have steering on 2-4 axles, doesn't that oppose the rule that 4WS is only allowed in C3?
(I suppose one can circumvent that by having a scale realistic 6WS though... )

[Absurd]

Originally Posted by Olle P

Given that most (all?) full scale 8x8 have steering on 2-4 axles, doesn't that oppose the rule that 4WS is only allowed in C3?
(I suppose one can circumvent that by having a scale realistic 6WS though... )

Well technicly street legal allows a 4x4 with 4ws if you limit it all to 1 servo but let the 8x8 having all wheels based off one servo would be hard but not give that much advantage

[doublej]

Number of servos doesn't matter, class3 is the only class to allow mutiple steering axles.

[Noll11]

So to confirm, my 8x8 would have to go into class 3? (I'm fine with that). Or are you just referring absurd's comment?

Thanks.

[doublej]

Multi axle is allowed in any class, but only class3 can have more than one steering axle.

[Noll11]

Ok, thanks! C3 it is then haha.

[R2j]

On multi-axle rigs, or an 8X8 like your building, I see no reason why you couldn't have multi front steering axles. Rule states "rear steer" for C3 only. Most 1:1 8X8's use two front steering axles. And meet all other class rules.

• Chassis mounted steering servo: -5 (front) -2 (rear) *rear= Class 3 only*


Clearly driving an multi axle rig has advantages and disadvantages.-

[Noll11]

Oh, even better! Thanks r2j! Was hoping to be able to use it in c1 or two, so that's awesome.

[Olle P]

Originally Posted by R2j

... Rule states "rear steer" for C3 only. Most 1:1 8X8's use two front steering axles. And meet all other class rules.

The applicable rule actually state:
• 4-wheel steering or dig is allowed in modified class only (you must choose 1 per course).
(The middle point under "General Vehicle Details".)

Being the Devil's advocate one could opt for a scale realistic 6WS (that's one axle without steering, as in my opinion the rule quoted above really should read "all wheel steering or dig...") and claim that it's legal for all classes since it isn't the forbidden 4WS...

[doublej]

Yall really read into the rules to much.
I believe 4WS is 4WS, weather that be 2 front or a front and a rear. And knowing it is regulated because it is an advantage, you can believe anyone running an event is not going to let you "skirt" the rules on that one.

[R2j]

Two front axles steering on an 8X8 does not give the same advantage as having rear steer on a C3. It may gain a bit more steering, but you lose any advantage by simply how long an multi axle rig can get. I'm not skirting the rules with my opinion, just seeing it as it is.

[doublej]

Originally Posted by R2j

Two front axles steering on an 8X8 does not give the same advantage as having rear steer on a C3. It may gain a bit more steering, but you lose any advantage by simply how long an multi axle rig can get. I'm not skirting the rules with my opinion, just seeing it as it is.

Scale Committee is discussing it.

[Scrap]

I think it would be an extremely stupid move to ban 8x8 vehicles from class 1 or class 2. And that is exactly what will happen if the rules wont allow for all FRONT axles to steer.

A 6x6 or an 8x8 is already at a disadvantage in anything that has a turn in it.

I've driven against a 6x6 that had the two front axles steering and I didn't consider it having an unfair advantage. An 8x8 with only one steering axle would be a joke.

EDIT: He had 1.9 Ripsaws and I had 1.9 Trail Doctors XLs.

[crawlincraig]

Is there a limit on wheelbase? The body/look I want requires 13 - 13.5" w/b

[TURTLE]

Originally Posted by crawlincraig

Is there a limit on wheelbase? The body/look I want requires 13 - 13.5" w/b

Nope. It's really only limited by the chassis on top of it.

[Hoosierdady]

I have two questions:
1)
I'm looking to build a Exo based Wrexo for class 3 using a Wraith skid. Basically it'll be a Wraith skid with a Exo cage top. Would that be legal for C3?

2)
Could I use the IFS or would it need to be both front and rear solid axle?

[Szczerba]

Originally Posted by Hoosierdady

I have two questions:
1)
I'm looking to build a Exo based Wrexo for class 3 using a Wraith skid. Basically it'll be a Wraith skid with a Exo cage top. Would that be legal for C3?

2)
Could I use the IFS or would it need to be both front and rear solid axle?

IMO you are fine on both questions, reading through the general and class 3 specific rules but I am not on the rules committee.